“It’s nice to hear B-MOVIE are finally getting a chance to release their forgotten gems”: Matt Johnson
Comprising of Steve Hovington (vocals + bass), Paul Statham (guitar), Rick Holliday (keyboards), and Graham Boffey (drums), while B-MOVIE had already released 2 EPs on Lincolnshire independent label Dead Good in 1980, it was their inclusion on 1981’s ‘Some Bizzare Album’ compiled by Futurist DJ Stevo Pearce which put them on the wider map.
Their song ‘Moles’, alongside contributions from then-unknown bands such as DEPECHE MODE, SOFT CELL, BLANCMANGE and THE THE was one of the album’s highlights. Having previously included them in his ‘Futurist’ chart for music paper Sounds, Stevo continued his support and subsequently became manager of B-MOVIE while SOFT CELL and THE THE were also added to the expanding Some Bizzare roster.
B-MOVIE’s synth-laden new wave brought them to the attention of Phonogram Records who saw the band as their answer to DURAN DURAN and SPANDAU BALLET. While B-MOVIE could do pop as proven by their best known song ‘Nowhere Girl’, their pessimistic post-punk demeanour meant the quartet had more in common with JOY DIVISION, THE CURE and TALK TALK rather than the New Romantics. If they have a 21st Century equivalent, then the nearest comparison would probably be WHITE LIES.
Ever the shrewd operator, Stevo insisted on a 2-for-1 deal which included SOFT CELL for Phonogram to sign B-MOVIE. Marc Almond and Dave Ball got to No1 with their cover of ‘Tainted Love’ in 1981 to begin an outstanding run of a five Top3 singles into 1982, but B-MOVIE were unable to breakthrough into the UK Top40 despite releasing a trio of excellent singles in ‘Remembrance Day’, ‘Marilyn Dreams’ and ‘Nowhere Girl’.
Photo by Peter Ashworth
Stevo Pearce loved chaos but chaos ultimately destroys and the struggle for success, coupled with internal tensions led to Boffey and Holliday departing the band. Severing ties with Stevo, the album they had demoed lay dormant for over 40 years and legend had it that the tapes were under his bed. But the recordings made during this period had actually been stored in Universal Music’s huge vault. After years of enquiries and negotiations, B-MOVIE have acquired the rights back to these tapes and with their restoration, the 1982 debut LP that “never was” is now available under the fitting title of ‘Hidden Treasures’.
The fact that these recordings were shelved back in the day by record label and management politics is nothing short of criminal, but “better late than never” goes the saying and anyone who has ever been entranced by ‘Remembrance Day’, ‘Marilyn Dreams’ and ‘Nowhere Girl’ will LOVE this collection. And for those long standing fans who actually bought their records, the CD has the bonus of addition of B-sides, 12” versions and ‘Moles’ which featured some magnificent synth playing from Rick Holliday.
Those three Some Bizzare era singles need no introduction from the anti-war anthem ‘Remembrance Day’ to the anti-fame art rock of ‘Marilyn Dreams’ but one that should have been a single was ‘Polar Opposites’; although there is what is now widely accepted as the perfect take in the 1981 John Peel session version, this version on ‘Hidden Treasures’ is shorter, grittier and slightly faster in the vein of Leeds’ GANG OF FOUR. Meanwhile the jagged album opener ‘Citizen Kane’ captures that psychedelic Liverpool flavour of the times, coming over like a cross between THE TEARDROP EXPLODES and ECHO & THE BUNNYMEN.
Very different to the arrangement of the 1981 John Peel version, the intense Cold War angst of ‘All Fall Down’ with references to Ronald Reagan may capture another time, but its words are chillingly relevant again and an indicator as to why this compendium of recordings from 1981-1982 sound so on point in 2025.
‘Ice’ is feisty gem of song with a hand played synth bass battling with frantic rhythm guitars and a speedy drumming run from Graham Boffey that would have made Stephen Morris proud, while the bright synth melodies on ‘La Lune Lunatique’ mask the shadier lyrical overtones. Less post-punk and much more of a melodic electronically styled pop song, ‘Crowds’ is not that dissimilar from say OMD or A FLOCK OF SEAGULLS and points towards the more commercial sound that Phonogram had signed B-MOVIE for. But as a complete flip to that mood, the gloomy progressive drama of ‘Beginning To Fade’ makes an ominous ‘Hidden Treasures’ closer.
The CD bonus tracks include longer takes of ‘Remembrance Day’ and ‘Marilyn Dreams’ but it’s the mighty ‘Nowhere Girl’ with the extended Rick Holliday’s concert piano and synthbass intro breakdown that excels as a classic 12” version. Of the B-sides, the remix of ‘Institution Walls’ from the second of the Dead Good EPs and ‘Scare Some Life Into Me’ both capture the raw vocal anxiety in Steve Hovington’s paranoia. Meanwhile the icy drum machine laden ‘Film Music’ was Holliday’s instrumental excursion into the monochromatic Mittel Europa atmospheres of ‘The Third Man’ and ‘The Spy Who Came in from the Cold’.
While the fragmented B-MOVIE led by Hovington and Statham did release a debut album in the disappointing ‘Forever Running’ in 1985, it is the three singles from this ‘Hidden Treasures’ period that are held in the highest esteem, so much so that the American electro-rock band THE FAINT used ‘Remembrance Day’ as the basis for their own ‘Southern Belles in London Sing’ in 2004. At around the same time, B-MOVIE reformed with their original line-up and despite the departure of Holliday again in 2022, continue today.
‘Hidden Treasures’ provides the missing links to ‘Remembrance Day’, ‘Marilyn Dreams’ and ‘Nowhere Girl’, along with the context as to why for a period, B-MOVIE were judged to become the next big thing. It didn’t happen for them, but this lost album superbly restored by Roger Lyons puts them on an equal footing with many of the best post-punk synth-laden bands of the era.
Absence can make the heart grow fonder and this case highlights how despite the passing of 43 years, B-MOVIE’s music from this period really has stood the test of time.
Set to the music of Buddy Holly, “Re-Record, Not Fade Away” was the iconic strapline voiced by veteran British actor Deryck Guyler as a jolly skeleton to advertise Scotch video cassettes in 1987. The premise was that these tapes were of such resilient high quality that they could be used for a lifetime and even outlive the purchaser.
But “Re-Record, Not Fade Away” could also be seen as a reference to the longevity of music through cover versions of classic songs. So what about when an artist effectively covers their own song by re-recording it?
Artists and producers are forever tinkering with their work. Sometimes it is to improve on a track or create a new vision. But also, it can be done simply to own a new copyright where the original is now in the hands of a less than co-operative custodian; the most recent high profile case of this has been Taylor Swift who has been re-recording all of her previous albums with each labelled as “Taylor’s Version”.
ELECTRICITYCLUB.CO.UK presents its own list of 25 remakes and remodels from over the years. Most are more familiar than the originals and have been widely accepted as the superior versions while others continue to divide fans.
Presented in yearly and then alphabetical order with a restriction of one track per artist moniker, this listing does not include remixes, live recordings or radio sessions. Meanwhile originals refer to the first released versions so demos do not count!
ULTRAVOX! Hiroshima Mon Amour (1977)
ULTRAVOX! first released ‘Hiroshima Mon Amour’ as a fierce and frenetic art rock piece for the B-side of ‘ROckwrok’, but it was slowed right down for the ‘Ha! Ha! Ha!’ album version. Moving into the moody ambience of CLUSTER with a modified Roland TR77 rhythm machine and Elka Rhapsody string machine chillingly taking centre stage, the colder aesthetics were counterpointed by guest saxophonist CC from GLORIA MUNDI.
Available on the ULTRAVOX! album ‘Ha! Ha! Ha!’ via Island Records
After leaving ULTRAVOX, the full length solo debut ‘Metamatic’ from John Foxx featured a highlight in ‘No-One Driving’. Despite the album also including a song called ‘Blurred Girl’, the single re-recording had much sharper focus and slightly altered lyrics, reaching No32 in the UK charts. Released along with three new tracks ‘Glimmer’, ‘This City’ and ‘Mr No’, ‘No-One Driving’ remains one of the best double single packages ever.
The original Fast Product single version of ‘Being Boiled’ from 1978 was recorded in mono and had its own charm. But THE HUMAN LEAGUE took the opportunity to update their calling card with producer John Leckie for the ‘Travelogue’ album to more fully realise its funky FUNKADELIC inspired overtones. Using a varispeeded synth brass section named THE BOYS OF BUDDHA, the end result was more dynamic and livelier.
Available on THE HUMAN LEAGUE album ‘Travelogue’ via Virgin Records
With the 1979 ‘Unknown Pleasures’ version channelling THE STOOGES, the idea behind JOY DIVISION re-recording ‘She’s Lost Control’ was to make a really loud and dynamic 12 inch disco single. The result was a big cacophony of electronic and acoustic drums as well as an aerosol! Meanwhile, synths which had not been present before were now very much heard in the second half while Ian Curtis’ vocal delivery was even more foreboding.
Available on JOY DIVISION album ‘Substance’ via Rhino Records
On the debut self-titled OMD album, ‘Messages’ was a song that actually featured guitar with potential as a single. Utilising a pulsing repeat function on a Korg Micro-Preset shaped by hand twisting the octave knob, it was decided to re-record ‘Messages’ for its singular release. Produced by Mike Howlett, the new version included the addition of separately recorded drums for a cleaner snap to produce a breakthrough UK chart hit.
Available on the OMD album ‘Souvenir’ via Virgin Records
The much darker and aggressive first version of ‘Photographic’ for the ‘Some Bizzare Album’ was driven by Mute supremo Daniel Miller’s klanky Korg 55 Rhythm box. Featuring much more sophisticated sequencing and programmed percussion palettes, an understated approach was taken on the re-recorded ‘Speak & Spell’ version with snares sounds only making their presence felt a third of the way through.
Available on the DEPECHE MODE album ‘Speak & Spell’ via Universal Music
Compared with the original ‘Mutant Moments’ version of ‘Frustration’ which was akin to the unsettling demeanour of THROBBING GRISTLE, the ‘Non-Stop Erotic Cabaret’ take was like a completely different song. The lyrics were mostly written by Dave Ball about his own father while Marc Almond let his theatrical energetics go wild as sparkling Synclavier, a Roland Synthe-Bass and sleazy sax battled for audio supremacy.
Originally recorded for a 1980 EP on Dead Good Records, ‘Nowhere Girl’ was undoubtedly the most immediate pop tune in the B-MOVIE portfolio. The quartet were under pressure to have a hit with Phonogram label mates SOFT CELL having scored a No1. Produced by Steve Brown, the new recording had tinkling ivories like ULTRAVOX in full flight alongside pulsing bass and harp-like synths. Alas, ‘Nowhere Girl’ stalled at No67!
Originally recorded for a 1980 single on Mute Records in a band format featuring guitar and hand-played synths, ‘Kebabträume’ was subsequently reworked by DAF with sequencers under the production supervision of the legendary Conny Plank. Transforming into something much heavier, the memorable if controversial line “Deutschland, Deutschland, alles ist vorbei!” had more bite on this superior version.
Available on the DAF album ‘Für Immer’ via Grönland Records
Seeing out 1981 after the success of their self-titled debut album with the release of ‘My Own Way’, the single was characterised by its fast tempo and a disco string section. However, DURAN DURAN would express dissatisfaction at the recording. So for their second album ‘Rio’, the song was re-recorded in a slightly slower electro-funk style with a harder rhythmic edge while Simon Le Bon ad-libbed about “7UP between Sixth and Broadway”
Available on the DURAN DURAN album ‘Rio’ via EMI Music
Written when Wayne Hussey, later of THE SISTERS OF MERCY and THE MISSION, was in DEAD OR ALIVE, ‘The Stranger’ first surfaced as a single on Black Eyes Records. The tighter re-recording appeared as a B-side of the ‘What I Want’ single, dialling down the more gothic and acoustic elements while making the electronics and drum machine much more prominent. Despite this, it was a million miles from the HI-NRG sound that Pete Burns would find fame and fortune with.
HEAVEN 17 were misinterpreted by Thatcher’s yuppies who thought ‘Let’s All Make A Bomb’ was about making a financial killing, when it actually referred to a different type of killing altogether. The original ‘Penthouse & Pavement’ version was all analogue electronics including its rhythm track. For the B-side of ‘Come Live With Me’, this New Version was more digital with metallic samples for a type of industrial funk.
Available on the HEAVEN 17 album ‘Endless’ via Virgin Records
The original 1982 single version of ‘Pale Shelter’ was produced by Mike Howlett and began with an unsettling, reverse spoken vocal from Roland Orzabal. It failed to chart but with TEARS FOR FEARS flush from the success of ‘Mad World’ and ‘Change’, the parent debut album ‘The Hurting’ featured a re-recording produced by Ross Cullum and Chris Hughes with a much looser feel. Re-released as a single, it gave the duo their third UK Top5 hit.
When ‘Uncertain Smile’ was released as a Mike Thorne produced single in 1982, it featured a wonderfully rigid TR808 pattern, synths and a variety of woodwinds including flute and sax. Come the ‘Soul Mining’ album produced by Paul Hardiman, the song was a newly recorded with live drums and an extended boogie-woogie piano section from Jools Holland at the end. Some love it, some don’t but THE THE main man Matt Johnson is in the former camp.
Available on the THE THE album ’Soul Mining’ via Epic Records
Benny Andersson said that ABBA’s ‘The Day Before You Came’ was “a really good song, but not a good recording” and by coincidence, the first attempt by BLANCMANGE produced by John Luongo for the ‘Mange Tout’ album was underwhelming. But this was put right for single release in a rhythmically tighter re-recording helmed by Peter Collins which also made more of Neil Arthur’s melodramatics and Northern English quirkiness.
‘Forbidden Colours’ was the David Sylvian vocalled version of theme to the film ‘Merry Christmas Mr Lawrence’ which was composed by Ryuichi Sakamoto who also starred in it alongside David Bowie. But Sylvian wanted to do his own “not so grand” version for his debut album ‘Brilliant Trees’. Featuring Sakamoto on piano with Sylvian on synths and Steve Jansen on live drums , it was eventually dropped for ‘The Ink In The Well’ but ended up as the B-side to ‘Red Guitar’.
Tony Mansfield of NEW MUSIK did the original production on ‘Take On Me’ in 1984. However, A-HA were unhappy with the Fairlight-assisted results so it was remixed by their manager John Radcliff. The single failed to chart but with Warner music sensing a potential hit, a re-recording was commissioned with Alan Tarney as producer and showing off Morten Harket’s blistering vocal range. The single flopped again but on the third attempt, became the international hit they desired.
The original version of ‘West End Girls’ had been produced by New Yorker Bobby Orlando and released by Epic Records in 1984 , but while it has been a cult favourite, it was not a mainstream chart success. After signing to EMI, it was re-recorded with a lush cinematic aesthetic produced by Stephen Hague. It was stylistically at odds with pop duos like WHAM! but gave PET SHOP BOYS the first of their 4 UK No1s.
Available on the PET SHOP BOYS album ‘Smash’ via EMI Music
A plaintive song about the wandering eye, ‘No-One Is To Blame’ was one of the best Howard Jones ballads. A highlight in its first guise from his second album ‘Dream Into Action’, with Trans-Atlantic hit potential and Phil Collins riding high in that market, a re-recording was made with the GENESIS drummer producing alongside Hugh Padgham. Mission accomplished, the single became Jones’ biggest US hit.
The original ‘Temptation’ was the first Top30 UK single for a rejuvenated NEW ORDER. For their ‘Substance’ compilation , the track was re-recorded in line with how the band were playing it live, with ARPs and Simmons drums now replaced by Yamahas and harder digital snare while the vocal was perhaps more restrained. Thanks to the huge success of ‘Substance’, this is probably now the best known version of ‘Temptation’.
Available on the NEW ORDER album ‘Substance’ via Warner Music
The original stark 1975 recording had ambigious references to radio activity but accepting the criticism they were getting from environmentalists, KRAFTWERK gave a pointed anti-nuclear message on this powerful 1991 re-recording. The most significant makeover was its additional unsettling machine chant of “TSCHERNOBYL – HARRISBURGH – SELLAFIELD – HIROSHIMA” highlighting recent atomic catastrophes.
Available on the KRAFTWERK album ‘The Mix’ via EMI Music
Despite not being a single, ‘Metal’ is a bonafide Gary Numan classic from 1979’s ‘The Pleasure Principle’. But in his stock on the rise again after several lean years and signing to Eagle Records, he revisited it to include as a bonus track for the single release of ‘Dominion Day’ from the ‘Exile’ album. A much more brooding grandiose reinterpretation, things were taken a step further by NINE INCH NAILS cover on ‘Things Falling Apart’ in 2000.
LUSTANS LAKEJER were seen as Sweden’s answer to DURAN DURAN; ‘Begärets Dunkla Mål’ was originally a moody unga moderna disco song which opened their self-titled 1981 debut album. The song was given a full Düsseldorf electronic makeover for their greatest hits collection 26 years later. Produced by Peder Livijn of SYSTEM, with a bounce reminiscent of KRAFTWERK’s ‘Das Model’, it became the catchy synthpop tune it had the potential to be.
The very KRAFTWERK influenced lead single from the third RHEINGOLD album ‘Distanz’, neither ‘Computer Beat’ or its parent long player have been reissued by CBS in the digital age. Re-recorded for a self-released ‘Best Of’ along with their German hits ‘Fluss’, ‘3Klangsdimensionen’ and ‘FanFanFanatisch’, unlike the majority of the tracks in this list, the aim was to make the rework sound as much like the original as possible.
Available on the RHEINGOLD album ‘Best Of’ via 3Klang Records
Originally recorded as a guitar-driven indie pop tune in 2008, ‘Blue Motorbike’ was the best known tune by Swedish singer-songwriter Oskar Humlebo under his MOTO BOY alias. 10 years later and reflecting his now-more laid back cinematic aesthetic, he revisited it as a pretty synthpop ballad for the Original Motion Picture Soundtrack of the Swedish thriller ‘Videoman’ which also featured notable synthwave exponents such as Robert Parker and WAVESHAPER.
Available on the Original Motion Picture Soundtrack album ‘Videoman’ (V/A) via Lakeshore Records
Comprising of Steve Hovington (vocals + bass), Paul Statham (guitar), Rick Holliday (keyboards), and Graham Boffey (drums), Mansfield quartet B-MOVIE are most often associated with being part of the Some Bizzare stable managed by futurist DJ Stevo Pearce which also included SOFT CELL and THE THE. They had all appeared on the ‘Some Bizarre Album’ compiled by Stevo which also showcased DEPECHE MODE and BLANCMANGE.
Phonogram Records wanted to sign B-MOVIE so Stevo insisted on a 2-for-1 deal which included SOFT CELL. But their trio of singles from that heady period ‘Remembrance Day’, ‘Marilyn Dreams’ and ‘Nowhere Girl’ failed to breakthrough into the UK Top40 while SOFT CELL hit No1 with ‘Tainted Love’ in 1981 and began an outstanding run of a five Top3 singles into 1982. Ultimately Phonogram and Stevo lost interest in B-MOVIE and an album they were working on was shelved.
A fragmented B-MOVIE led by Hovington and Statham signed to Sire Records and released the album ‘Forever Running’ in 1985 but by then, the magic that had sparked major label interest had fizzled out. B-MOVIE quietly disbanded but in 2004, the original quartet reformed. Despite releasing two new albums ‘The Age of Illusion’ and ‘Climate of Fear’, talk always returned to their Some Bizzare period with demand for its imperial trilogy of singles to be made available in the digital era.
Now in 2025, those three singles, their B-sides and tracks recorded between 1981-1982 for an intended long player have been digitised and restored to create the debut “that never was”. Titled ‘Hidden Treasures’, as well as featuring seven previously unreleased recordings plus ‘Remembrance Day’, ‘Marilyn Dreams’ and ‘Nowhere Girl’ on vinyl, the CD version contains 12” versions, B-sides and ‘Moles’ from the ‘Some Bizarre Album’.
Paul Statham chatted to ELECTRICITYCLUB.CO.UK about the release of ‘Hidden Treasures’ and revisited this lost chapter of B-MOVIE…
How does it feel to get this excellent album that was recorded 43 years ago out finally? Were there a lot of hoops to jump through in the politics to get it to this point?
We had almost given up of ever getting the original 3 singles of ‘Remembrance Day’, ‘Marilyn Dreams’ and ‘Nowhere Girl’ on any streaming platform as the no one knew who owned them or if they still existed. It was thanks to the diligence of B-MOVIE manager and long-time fan Andy Woods, that he located them and got them returned to us.
It’s a little disconcerting listening back to how we were back then! We had lots of confidence that’s for sure! It’s of its time and we changed nothing and neither added or taken anything away, so it’s like a document or treasure we’ve found that was hidden away, hence the fitting title!
The ‘Hidden Treasures’ title definitely suits the circumstances that it is being released now, but did you have any working titles during its recording?
Normally it’s a song title that could work as an album title, ‘Beginning To Fade’ would have been appropriate!
Was there much tweaking needed on any of the ‘Hidden Treasures’ tracks or are they basically “sold as seen”?
Sold as seen. The initial master tapes were baked, transferred and we luckily had the stereo mixes of most tracks, I believe the song ‘Crowds’ was remixed though.
I’m assuming most of the ‘Hidden Treasures’ was produced by Mike Thorne, but did his commitments to SOFT CELL prompt getting Steve Brown in to produce ‘Nowhere Girl’? As someone who produced ABC’s first single and would later work with WHAM! and THE CULT, how did you choose him? How did his approaches differ from Mike in the studio?
No, Mike only produced ‘Remembrance Day’ and ‘Marilyn Dreams’, the rest were really demos for the band that Andy Dransfield recorded on 8 track at Studio Playground.
I worked again with Mike Thorne on the Peter Murphy album ‘Holy Smoke’ that Mike produced. That was a much longer and involved process as Peter and myself first spent 2 weeks at Mike’s New York studio then a month in England, so I know Mike’s process is very very meticulous, lots of tracking guitars / keyboards and really thinking it through.
The lovely Steve Brown was a funny, sweet man, who unfortunately passed away way too soon. He worked quickly and intuitively, making decisions on the fly and sticking with them. We only really had one day and a night to record Nowhere Girl after a 48-hour drive from Southern Spain where we had just finished our first European Tour. Very hectic, then straight out the studio at 5am to drive to play a Christmas Eve show at Retford Porterhouse! We had lots of energy back then!
As good as it was, ‘Marilyn Dreams’ was less immediate than ‘Remembrance Day’ or ‘Nowhere Girl’… so looking back, was it the best choice as the single between them? Can you remember what the thinking had been behind the decision?
Yes!! After ‘Remembrance Day’, London Records wanted Mike Thorne to produce ‘Nowhere Girl’ as the follow-up. We convinced him to do ‘Marilyn Dreams’ to the record companies’ horror. We were a little naïve but believed in the song. So, a Sliding Doors moment. On the one hand I’d have loved to have heard how Mike Thorne would have produced ‘Nowhere Girl’, but I sort of know. It would have been more electropop and following on from ‘Remembrance Day’ would have probably gone in the Top 40 and given us the hallowed Top Of The Pops… BUT, we would then never had had the magnificent ‘Nowhere Girl’ 12 inch that is surely the definitive version!
The jagged album opener ‘Citizen Kane’ comes over like a cross between THE TEARDROP EXPLODES and ECHO & THE BUNNYMEN, had that “psychedelic” Liverpool Eric’s scene been an influence on B-MOVIE?
It’s more the source of those 2 bands inspiration. We loved THE DOORS and PINK FLOYD as well as ECHO & THE BUNNYMEN, but our sound was also 4 people with diverse tastes and different levels of musicianship. We never followed a ‘plan’ to get to the top. We were considered very wilful individuals, and we played music for ourselves, often extending songs to 10 minutes long. A classic live performance would have been the Futurama Festival were we really jammed out but went down a storm!
‘Polar Opposites’ is included and it’s a great version although I think the John Peel session just edges it, which in your opinion is the definitive version? There have been several versions recorded, was it just a difficult one to nail down?
The John Peel session, 1000%!!
There are some strange guitar parts on this upcoming version that I wouldn’t have played, and it turns out it was Steve who went back in and played over the track. I’ve no idea why but it was 43 years ago!
‘Ice’ is feisty gem of song, can you remember how it come together and why did it not end up on any of the radio sessions you did at the time?
I think it came later, after the Peel Session and the Richard Skinner session. Again, it was us just playing in rehearsal over Steve’s bass line and lyric. We played it live and it always went down a storm
The arrangement of ‘All Fall Down’ is very different to the 1981 John Peel version?
Again, we played it however we felt it at the time. That was probably our downfall commercially as we had no manager invested in us who would ever come to rehearsals, or a bona fide game plan… Stevo was just involved with SOFT CELL, understandably so as they were No1 here and in America, but there was a window for us if we had focused more, partied less and perhaps listened to other people occasionally!
‘Crowds’ was less post-punk and perhaps more of a melodic electronically styled pop song and not dissimilar from say OMD or A FLOCK OF SEAGULLS, how was the band developing musically at this point?
The arrival of Mike Peden on bass was at the time a good idea. It turned out not to be so and signalled the end of the original line-up. We did on this occasion listen to people, just the wrong people with bad advice so we sacked Graham which to me was the biggest mistake we ever made by far! And this sort of fretless bass playing from Peden and a less driving sound that Steve has when he plays bass (he’s actually a top bass player as well as singer!), I’m not a fan of where we went around 1984 onwards
Based on what has been documented on the ‘Remembrance Days’, ‘Radio Days’ and ‘BBC Radio Sessions 1981-84’ CDs, the band were mightily prolific during this period, how would you describe the band’s attitude and drive at this point?
With Martin Smedley on bass and myself playing guitar and keyboards, we formed a B-MOVIE version 2. Steve, Martin and I were re-energised as Mart was a great player and had a real energy. Although we went through other band members like bloody SPINAL TAP. Seymour Stein signed us to Sire. We met Bill Siddons, THE DOORS old manager, as well as Rod Stewart’s manager Arnold Stiefel who told us the Sire album was not up to scratch, he would re-negotiate a new deal (which he was entirely capable of doing) but did we listen? Nope, we went with John Hartman who managed Ringo Starr cos he had a fridge full of beer and had pizzas delivered nightly as we crashed at his LA pad. Turned out it wasn’t even his house, Seymour went ballistic, yelling “that guy still thinks records are played at 78rpm!”…. yep, we failed to notice the gift horse, let alone its mouth.
Photo by Peter Ashworth
Is the track listing and running order of ‘Hidden Treasures’ what was intended back in the day or a retrospective selection?
Retrospective. Steve and Andy have been very involved in this, thankfully. I’ve been a little busy of late working with SIMPLE MINDS and a new DARK FLOWERS album plus lots of other things so it’s really down to their tenacity that this album is seeing the light of day
The CD contains bonus tracks in the 12 inch versions and B-sides from the period plus ‘Moles’ from the ‘Some Bizzare Album’, was there any thought to releasing these as part of a double vinyl package or is this something you might be keeping in reserve for Record Store Day?
Ha ha well you never know! There is another album coming out, focusing on the Covid Years! That’s all I’m saying!
How close did what is now ‘Hidden Treasures’ come to being released as the debut B-MOVIE album back in the day, or was it more or less shelved after ‘Nowhere Girl’ failed to get into the Top40?
Shelved. The music industry can be very unforgiving in a short space of time. Stevo wound everyone up but seeing as both SOFT CELL and THE THE had leverage, it was always going to be us who suffered the fall out of his many physical and mental fights with industry bosses. I don’t blame him, they deserved it, and he was a genuine innovator with real passion, but ultimately we paid the price.
As 1982 progressed, there were the inevitable tensions and the band fragmented after the ‘Hidden Treasures’ recordings, are you able to talk about what happened?
As said earlier, influences turned our heads in thinking that a new drummer would somehow aid the new ‘muso’ sound that Mike Peden’s professional session player style required while Rick met Cindy Ecstasy and had SIX SED RED in his mind. I was never involved in the early songwriting so my own position was marginalised, this situation changed after a reset and Steve and myself collaborated on the Sire album ‘Forever Running’ on a lot of the songs,
But then financial reality kicked in and after a revolving door of band members, it was down to Steve and myself to finally admit it had run out of steam. Steve formed ONE and I went to work with Peter Murphy as initially his keyboard player and second guitarist but co-wrote ‘All Night Long’ and ‘Indigo Eyes’ which helped the parent album ‘Love Hysteria’ reach No1 in the Alternative Rock charts prior to the success of follow-up album ‘Deep’.
Most of these songs are previously unreleased and didn’t feature on what eventually became the official B-MOVIE debut album ‘Forever Running’ in 1985… do you think in hindsight you should have carried these songs over to that or did you just want a clean state, for better or worse?
It was necessary to see the trio of Steve, Martin and myself as a new entity. We did a great Kid Jenson session with the 3 of us, I played guitar and keys, Mart played bass and saxophone and Steve sang brilliantly and for a time we felt re energised so again a radio session sounded much more brutal and punky than the eventual album which was watered down by the producer Stephen Stuart Short (again sadly passed away) and after that we all felt a little disillusioned
‘Hidden Treasures’ is equal to the debut albums by your contemporaries TALK TALK, BLANCMANGE and CHINA CRISIS; now this is imagining a “what if?” scenario but if ‘Nowhere Girl’ had been in the Top20 and the album had come out in Autumn 1982, what do think B-MOVIE’s career trajectory might have been?
That’s very kind of you, and yes I think we would have made a classic first album, it would have been spiky and experimental; but I still feel the band would have split after that album, just because we were growing as people and we needed to be able to express ourselves individually.
Do you have any particular favourite track or memory from ‘Hidden Treasures’?
Well, it was a very long time ago and I’ve made a lot of good memories post then. A lot of it I can’t really recall, we liked a drink and often would ferociously do that before recording. I loved the recording of ‘Remembrance Day’ at Scorpio Sound at the top of Tottenham Court Road with Mike Thorne. We spent a lot of time on the tracking of multiple guitar parts and we had Rick playing fantastic piano underneath the track. Also Steve and Graham laid down a fabulous beat and Mike supplied a producer sheen over everything which was extraordinary to what we had previously ever recorded. And I had my first McDonalds which is still there!!
B-MOVIE are playing shows to coincide with the release of ‘Hidden Treasures’, what can people expect, will you be performing the whole album plus the B-sides like ‘Institution Walls’ and ‘Scare Some Life Into Me’?
We have been playing those songs in the set anyway, way before this. We all have different tastes in the band, so we listen to each other when compiling a set list. I’m always pushing for new songs in the set and there will be a few, but overall we tend to look backwards and that is why the set is about 80% of the classic period, but we will be playing some surprise songs from ‘Hidden Treasures’ for sure!
Stevo was not a shy boy in really saying something about how much he hated “Fakkin’ BANANARAMA”, so I think it’s quite amusing that you and Rick ended up writing songs for them…
Ha, I had a ball with Keren and Sara. I think Rick had a song covered by them but I wrote 3 songs with them and those girls were mega fun, drank like mad with wicked senses of humour!
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Born in Sunderland, Mike Thorne began learning to play piano at the age of 11.
The lessons sparked a passion for music that led to him buying a tape recorder so that he could record songs off the radio. He then studied composition at The Guildhall School of Music & Drama. But despite later graduating with a physics degree from Oxford University, the music industry was where he wanted to be. His first jobs included tape op, journalist and then A&R at EMI looking after THE SEX PISTOLS during their short tenure at the label in 1976.
This led to becoming a house record producer at EMI and his first assignment involved recording 120 saxophones playing ‘The White Cliffs Of Dover’. After recording several live albums including ‘Live at The Roxy’, Thorne got his break producing French rock band TÉLÉPHONE whose eponymous debut album went gold.
New Yorkers THE SHIRTS and the Peter Godwin fronted METRO were among those followed, but it was his work on the first three albums by WIRE – a band he spotted and signed to PINK FLOYD’s label Harvest – that drew the most critical acclaim. The records demonstrated Thorne’s willingness to experiment in the studio, stripping down structures while adding electronic elements where appropriate.
Recognising that electronics and computers were the future of pop music and that a reinvention was likely by responding to new possibilities, Thorne had the foresight to purchase the first version of the NED Synclavier in 1979. A polyphonic digital sampling system and music workstation which used FM synthesis, it was to become his production mainstay and arrived in time for Colin Newman of WIRE’s first solo release and Scottish new wave quartet BERLIN BLONDES’ only long player.
Thorne moved to New York to become a freelance producer, working mostly at Media Sound Studio. But it was while in London working on the soundtrack to a Julie Christie film ‘Memoirs Of A Survivor’ that Thorne was commissioned by Phonogram Records to produce their new signing B-MOVIE. The deal had been brokered by Some Bizzare, an umbrella organisation that was more stable than label and part of the 2-for-1 arrangement was for him to work with a Northern synth duo called SOFT CELL. The rest, as they say, is history…
‘Tainted Love’, a cover of a song written by Ed Cobb and recorded by Gloria Jones, went to No1 and was the biggest selling UK single of 1981. It also spent a staggering 43 weeks on the US Billboard Hot 100. During the recording of ‘Tainted Love’, Thorne conceived a new way of producing an extended dance mix… the 12” single would be arranged and recorded first, with the 7” single version edited from sections of the longer track. Phonogram boss Roger Ames felt the track was a little slow so it was varispeeded up slightly for release!
Meanwhile, SOFT CELL were to enter an imperial phase of five successive Top4 UK hit singles with Thorne at the production helm including ‘Bedsitter’, ‘Say Hello Wave Goodbye’, ‘Torch’ and ‘What’. However, with the overwhelming success of their debut long player ‘Non Stop Erotic Cabaret’, tensions brewed during the recording of SOFT CELL’s appropriately titled second album ‘The Art Of Falling Apart’ leading to Thorne parting ways with the duo.
In 1984, Thorne was to produce one of the most important albums of his career when he was teamed up with BRONSKI BEAT for ‘The Age Of Consent’. The trio soon fragmented after its release, but Thorne followed their lead singer Jimmy Somerville to his new project THE COMMUNARDS with Richard Coles to achieve yet another No1 in a HI-NRG cover of ‘Don’t Leave Me This Way’; it was also the best-selling UK single of 1986.
Thorne’s ethos was always “to make music I liked with people I liked”. As well as working with more esoteric clients such as Marianne Faithful, Nina Hagen and Laurie Anderson, he was appreciated for his crossover potential in the mainstream with Daryl Hall & John Oates commissioning him to construct an Extended Club Mix of ‘Maneater’ in 1984 which included a breakdown clearly influenced by the middle section of the ‘Tainted Love’/ Where Did Our Love Go’ 12” segue.
Although Thorne ceased working as a hired hand from 1995, he continued as a producer for artists signed to his label imprint The Stereo Society while he issued his first his solo record ‘The Contessa’s Party’ in 2005 featuring special guests Kit Hain, Lene Lovich and Sarah Jane Morris.
Despite achieving two best-selling UK singles of the year, Mike Thorne has often slipped under the radar in discussions about notable record producers who led the start of the digital era. Documenting a significant and trailblazing career, here are 20 tracks selected by ELECTRICITYCLUB.CO.UK which act a Beginner’s Guide to Mike Thorne, listed in yearly and then alphabetical order by artist moniker with a restriction of one track per album project.
WIRE I Am The Fly (1978)
Although WIRE’s debut ‘Pink Flag’ was minimalist post-punk rock, their sophomore offering, ‘Chairs Missing,’ adopted more song structure, art rock approaches and synthesizer textures brought in by Thorne. One of WIRE’s signature tracks, ‘I Am The Fly’ had menace and provocation, prompting audiences at gigs to start lying down, waving their limbs in the air like dying flies! Musically, its influence can be heard from TUBEWAY ARMY’s ‘My Shadow In Vain’ to ELASTICA’s ‘Lined Up’.
A meeting of synthesizers, art rock and obscure vocals, Glasgow’s BERLIN BLONDES exuded the detached European cool of David Bowie during his Mauerstadt exile and were unusual at the time for using a drum machine. The quartet only made one album produced by Thorne which was recorded at Gary Numan’s Rock City Studios, ‘Framework’ was syncopated futurist disco featuring crashing electronic beats and icy flashes of synth under the influence of SPARKS and MAGAZINE.
After three albums, WIRE split for the first time. Their lead vocalist Colin Newman released his first solo album, ‘A-Z’ in 1980, featuring songs created for the anticipated fourth WIRE album. It was produced by Thorne and could be considered a sonic companion to BERLIN BLONDES. ‘Order for Order’, explored the possibilities of new wave mainstream numbers and while some compared it to Gary Numan, it had more in common with MAGAZINE.
Available on the COLIN NEWMAN album ‘A–Z’ via Sentient Sonics
Despite being alongside DEPECHE MODE, SOFT CELL, BLANCMANGE and THE THE on the now iconic ‘Some Bizarre Album’, B-MOVIE were unable to secure a hit with the poignant magnificence of the Thorne produced ‘Remembrance Day’. The struggle for success and internal tensions led to the band fragmenting by 1983. But the song gained cult status and in 2004, American band THE FAINT presented a fine interpolation in ‘Southern Belles In London Sing’ .
Available on the compilation album ‘Dawn Of Electronica’ (V/A) via Demon Music Group
Kit Hain had an international hit ‘Dancing In The City’ with Julian Marshall in 1978 but after the duo split, Hain issued her debut solo album ‘Spirits Walking Out’ produced by Thorne. While ‘Danny’ was to be a minor single success, one of the album highlights was the synthesized cabaret noir of the dramatic title song. Hain was to have a role in the SOFT CELL story as it was her Roland CR78 Compurhythm which Thorne borrowed and used as the rhythmic backbone to ‘Tainted Love’.
SOFT CELL Bedsitter – Early Morning Dance Side (1981)
With direction from Thorne, SOFT CELL often incorporated extra vocal sections into their 12” extended formats as on ‘Torch’, ‘Facility Girls’ and ‘Insecure Me’. So instead of purely instrumental breakdown extensions, ‘Bedsitter’ added a marvellous rap from Marc Almond where he asked “do you look a mess, do have a hangover?” before taking a little blusher. The literal kitchen sink drama to song concept saw tea leaves pushed down the drain as the night life started all over again.
Record in New York with Thorne, ‘NunSexMonkRock’ was the debut solo adventure by eccentric German singer Nina Hagen, as well as her first record with all her songs performed in English after disbanding her band after two acclaimed albums. While it was primarily a dissonant mix of punk, funk and reggae, ‘Taitschi-Tarot’ was a delightful oddball avant opera piece using piano and synths that covered the topics of Buddhism, reincarnation and yoga.
Available on the NINA HAGEN album ‘Nunsexmonkrock’ via Sony Music
Thorne and Marc Almond agreed that ‘Torch’ was their finest moment of recording together. Punctuated by John Gatchell’s flugelhorn, ‘Torch’ came in the middle of SOFT CELL’s imperial pop phase and the 12” version was a pièce de résistance, fuelled by Almond and Dave Ball partying on the New York club scene where they met Cindy Ecstasy. In an amusing spoken middle section, her nonchalant off-key vocal counterpointed Almond’s fabulously forlorn romanticism.
Still Matt Johnson’s finest five minutes as THE THE, ‘Uncertain Smile’ on its single release featured a wonderfully rigid TR808 pattern, lovely layers of synths and a variety of woodwinds including flute and sax. Produced by Mike Thorne, this fuller sounding and more emotive take far outstripped the bland and overly-long ‘Soul Mining’ album cut, which had been re-recorded by Thorne associate Paul Hardiman and included the extended boogie-woogie piano of Jools Holland…
SEONA DANCING were the synthpop duo comprising of a young Ricky Gervais and his friend Bill McRae formed while they were students at University College London. With Gervais adopting a melodramatic Bowie-like persona as a doomed romantic, their first single ‘More To Lose’ produced by Mike Thorne was of its time. However, its incessant rhythms and tuneful keyboard inflections had appeal and the song became a surprise radio hit in The Philippines.
Available on the SEONA DANCING single ‘More To Lose’ via London Records
Whereas Mike Thorne had been a happy collaborator on their debut album ‘Non Stop Erotic Cabaret’, during the making of the follow-up, he was viewed as a controller and spy for Phonogram. As former art school students, pop stardom did not suit SOFT CELL so there was no option but for Marc Almond and Dave Ball to self-destruct. The imploding disposition of ‘The Art Of Falling Apart’ title song couldn’t have soundtracked a mental breakdown any better.
When BRONSKI BEAT made their first ever TV appearance performing on BBC2’s ‘ORS’, they were nothing short of startling, thanks to their look, their minimal synth sound and Somerville’s lonely earth shattering falsetto. The trio had sought to be more outspoken and political in their position as openly gay performers and the tale of the Mike Thorne produced ‘Smalltown Boy’ about a gay teenager fleeing his hometown made an important statement.
After leaving BRONSKI BEAT, Jimmy Somerville formed THE COMMUNARDS with future TV vicar Richard Coles and took Thorne with him to produce their self-titled debut. While more organic elements such as piano, brass and strings featured, there remained a HI-NRG electronic element. The brilliant ‘Disenchanted’ heavily recalled the sound of his previous band. Somerville never stuck around for long and his relationship with Coles was dissolved in 1987.
Available on THE COMMUNARDS album ‘Communards’ via London Records
HOLLYWOOD BEYOND was the vehicle of flamboyant singer-songwriter Mark Rogers and he went Top10 with the Stephen Hague produced ‘What’s The Colour Of Money?’ in 1986. Mike Thorne was brought in to produce one track, ‘Save Me’, for the parent album ‘If’. Released as a single, it was an attempt to make a funkier version of BRONSKI BEAT and THE COMMUNARDS but Rogers lacked the vocal richness of Jimmy Somerville to pull it off.
Available on the HOLLYWOOD BEYOND album ‘If’ via Warner Music
Laurie Anderson’s fourth studio album ‘Strange Angels’ saw her attempt to move away from performance art into a more musical territory. Taking singing lessons and developing into a soprano, there was less of the spoken word that characterised her surprise No2 UK hit ‘O Superman’ and its parent album ‘Big Science’. Thorne produced four tracks on the album including ‘The Day the Devil’, a gothic art mini-opera with sinister diabolic overtones.
Available on the LAURIE ANDERSON album ‘Strange Angels’ via Warner Music
While CHINA CRISIS had recorded their fifth album ‘Diary Of A Hollow Horse’ with STEELY DAN’s Walter Becker, Virgin Records had felt there were no potential hit singles. So the band were despatched to re-record three songs including ‘Red Letter Day’. Using a sharp piano figure reminiscent of Rupert Holmes’ one hit wonder ‘Escape (The Pina Colada Song)’ with more counterpoints, synths and vocal harmonies, the track was issued as the album’s second single but no hit was forthcoming.
Mike Thorne reunited with Steve Bronski and Larry Steinbachek when BRONSKI BEAT were rebooted in a new deal with Zomba Records subsidiary Zed Beat featuring a new vocalist Jonathan Hellyer who possessed a falsetto similar to Jimmy Somerville. The first track released was a frantic dance cover of ‘I’m Gonna Run Away From You’, a Northern Soul song made famous by Tami Lynn. Sadly, Larry Steinbachek passed away in 2017 and Steve Bronski in 2022.
Originally released as a single by Zed Beat, currently unavailable.
From Minneapolis, INFORMATION SOCIETY had their breakthrough ‘What’s On Your Mind (Pure Energy)’ in 1988. From the album of the same name on which Thorne produced 4 tracks, ‘Peace & Love, Inc’ was spikey and energetic social commentary with heavy rave influences with 808 STATE samples thrown in. Incidentally another album track ‘To Be Free’ was produced by Karl Bartos under his post-KRAFTWERK guise as ELEKTRIC MUSIC.
Available on the INFORMATION SOCIETY album ‘Peace & Love, Inc’ via Tommy Boy Records
BAUHAUS front man Peter Murphy sought to capture the live feel of a band, having sampled musicians on his two previous works. But recording had not been straightforward and it was the longest time Thorne had worked on an album. the spacious and exotic ‘Our Secret Garden’ saw keyboards played by Murphy himself alongside the producer’s Synclavier. The ‘Holy Smoke’ album also reunited Thorne with B-MOVIE’s Paul Statham who was now acting as Murphy’s wingman.
Available on the PETER MURPHY album ‘Holy Smoke’ via Beggars Banquet Records
During Thorne’s reunion with Marc Almond in 1993, the singer was dismayed that the producer was still using his Synclavier. A change in record labels led to Thorne’s productions being remixed by THE BEATMASTERS and BIZARRE INC. Mixed by Gregg Jackman, ‘We Need Jealousy’ featured some great bassline programming augmented by ‘Motorbiking’ guitar by Chris Spedding. The experience drained Thorne, who withdrew from working as a hired hand.
Available on the MARC ALMOND album ‘Fantastic Star’ via Mercury Records
“There is no musical barrier of peoples acceptance, the only musical barrier is the media. (music press, radio & television.) Remember what people cannot see or hear, they cannot think about.”: Some Bizzare ‘?’
Along with Factory and Mute, Some Bizzare was one of the focal points of independently minded music and culture. It can be credited with launching the careers of SOFT CELL and THE THE while DEPECHE MODE, BLANCMANGE, B-MOVIE, CABARET VOLTAIRE, EINSTURZENDE NEUBAUTEN, FOETUS and PSYCHIC TV have also been part of its story.
At the centre of it all was Stevo Pierce, a Dagenham lad who ran club nights playing electronic music and was bolshy enough to approach rock paper Sounds about publishing his Futurist chart.
Having helped get his charges SOFT CELL to No1 with ‘Tainted Love’ in the summer of 1981, Stevo caught an unsuspecting music industry on the hop. “I’ve got you by the boll*cks” he once declared and he could name his price as he shopped his roster to the major labels. His methods could be unconventional and there were legendary stories about teddy bears being sent to meetings with cassettes stating his demands including supplies of sweets for a year.
Stevo’s ace was often to get the major labels to underwrite recordings while still keeping ownership of them himself. And the majors loved dealing with him… for a while at least. But next to the million-selling singles, there were raids by the Vice Squad, sex dwarves, death threats, ecstasy parties and meltdowns with one notable incident when Stevo and Marc Almond trashed the offices of Phonogram Records in Spring 1983.
Wesley Doyle traces the weird and wonderful world of Some Bizzare in his new book ‘Conform To Deform’. It features new contributions from many of the major players in the story including Marc Almond, Dave Ball, Matt Johnson, Daniel Miller, Steve Hovington, Neil Arthur, JG Thirlwell aka Clint Ruin / Jim Foetus, Stephen Mallinder, Anni Hogan, Michael Gira and long suffering personal assistant Jane Rolink, as well as Stevo himself.
Documenting the rise and fall of Some Bizzare, Wesley Doyle chatted to ELECTRICITYCLUB.CO.UK about how his excellent book came together as well as answering some hypothetical questions of interest…
What inspired you to document the story of Some Bizzare?
I’ve been a fan of the label since my early teens, and it was a really important part of my growing up and development. I’d been waiting for years for somebody to write a book, because I wanted to see all those stories collected in one place, but it seemed no writer or publisher wanted to take it on. So I thought I’d do it myself. I wrote a feature for Record Collector, a kind of top 20 Some Bizzare releases, which in the back of my mind I thought I could use as part of a book pitch. Which I did, and Jawbone picked it up.
With ‘Conform To Deform’, you’ve opted for a chronological quotes narrative?
I like oral histories – everyone has their own truth, and I think juxtaposing people’s recollections in their own words is a really interesting way of finding out what actually went on. But initially I started writing the book as a third person narrative, mainly because I didn’t think some of the key players would be willing to talk. It soon became apparent most people were happy to share their recollections, so I shifted it to the oral history format.
I think it works well, and it captures the personality of the characters involved. Some of the characters were so larger-than-life and their voices so strong, and there was a lot of humour that may have been lost otherwise. Stevo’s way of communication is famously unique, and people like Marc Almond, Dave Ball, Anni Hogan and Jane Rolink are all Northerners, so they have this innate sense of humour that wouldn’t have come across if I’d had been pontificating in some kind of flowery prose. Matt Johnson as well is a very funny man, which might surprise some people.
Compared with Mute and Factory, Some Bizzare was more stable than label… see what I did there! *laughs*
That’s good, I wish I’d thought of that!
I guess it’s in the book’s title, ‘Conform To Deform’; Stevo wanted to get in bed with the major labels so that he had their clout. He worked closely with Daniel Miller at the beginning but Mute were a small operation and at the time Daniel wanted to keep it that way. Stevo always thought big – from the very beginning Some Bizzare wasn’t aiming for a minority audience. There were no little independent releases, the first album came out on Phonogram, as did the first run of singles from SOFT CELL and B-MOVIE. Stevo really wanted to hit a big audience, although I don’t think it did him any favours in the long run. As Daniel says in the book, knowing what Stevo’s taste in music was, it was only going to end in tears.
But you can’t deny the success of ‘Tainted Love’. It’s hard to make a comparison now, what with success being measured in billions of streams. In 1981 over a million people in the UK left their homes, walked into their local record shop and handed over money to own that song. And that gave Stevo carte blanche to go to the major labels with bands like THE THE, EINSTÜRZENDE NEUBAUTEN and PSYCHIC TV and they would take a punt on them.
I don’t know if you remember a quote from Marc Almond and I think it was in NME; he said that an artist can only truly be subversive if they have access to the mainstream…
I think it’s true – again, ‘Conform to Deform’. I found out about FOETUS because Marc brought him on TV when SOFT CELL covered SUICIDE’s ‘Ghost Rider’ on Channel 4’s ‘Switch’ show – which was on a teatime on a Friday! I was speaking to Karl O’Connor aka Regis and we both had the same response to that appearance, it totally changed us. So in that respect, getting music like that on mainstream television was a truly subversive act. It was all well and good when CABARET VOLTAIRE were on Rough Trade or Crépuscule and their music reached a few thousand people in trench coats, but it’s only when they were on Some Bizzare and had access to Virgin’s money that people paid real attention. If you want reach people, you’ve got to go though the most popular channels, you’re just in an echo chamber otherwise. Which is fine, but you’ll never change anything.
It’s amazing to think that a lot of the stuff that we were into around that time was being featured in a so-called teen pop magazine like Smash Hits. But talking about the serious music press, it’s interesting that Sounds, at the time known for being more of a rock and heavy metal music paper, published Stevo’s Futurist chart and employed Beverley Glick aka Betty Page to interview these new acts using synths, rather than say the NME?
I remember Sounds being the most open minded of the big four papers generally. They were always seen as the lesser of NME, Melody Maker and Record Mirror, so they really had to fight for their place at the table. Editor Alan Lewis wanted to reach as many people as possible, so you had Garry Bushell writing about the Oi! movement, Geoff Barton writing about heavy metal, Jon Savage writing about post-punk, and Beverley Glick writing about what became the New Romantics. In retrospect it was far more open minded than the other papers.
Your book discusses the Futurist / Blitz Kid divide when New Romantic was not actually a thing yet, which is something the media, fans and record labels have forgotten…
In 1981 I was 12 years old and buying Smash Hits, so New Romantics and Futurists were the same thing to me, I wasn’t aware that there was a perceived difference. But Beverley and Stevo in particular were quite clear that New Romantics DID NOT exist in 1980, it was a retrospective thing.
Rusty Egan was on the Blitz Kid side and Stevo was on the Futurist side, and what surprised me was how visible both were when it came to the press. Stevo was so embedded in Sounds, he was a big character in that paper.
Having spoken to the people that were there, no-one said anything about New Romantics, it was Futurists and Blitz Kids. Blitz Kids were ULTRAVOX, SPANDAU BALLET, DURAN DURAN and VISAGE while Futurists were slightly edgier stuff like SOFT CELL, BLANCMANGE, FAD GADGET and CLOCK DVA. And never the twain would meet!
The whole thing got put on a pedestal when the ‘Some Bizzare Album’ came out in early 1981, it’s now become iconic and prescient but how do you think it stands up today?
What I found interesting was that Stevo did ask lot of established bands to be on it, like CABARET VOLTAIRE, THROBBING GRISTLE and CLOCK DVA. He wanted it to reflect what he was playing out as a DJ rather than a showcase for new acts. But those bands didn’t want to do it, so by default it became a compilation of new artists. It’s a weird one, when you listen to the ‘Some Bizzare Album’ now, there’s a lot of very strange stuff on there. You’d be hard pushed to listen to even the BLANCMANGE or THE THE tracks and think “Ooh, they’re going places!” *laughs*
ILLUSTRATION’s ‘Tidal Flow’ is one of the most commercial things on it but they didn’t do anything else. B-MOVIE’s ‘Moles’ is pretty strong, but even SOFT CELL’s ‘The Girl With The Patent Leather Face’, although a highlight, you still wouldn’t think, “This is a multi-million selling act we have here”.
But the ‘Some Bizzare Album’ does have DEPECHE MODE on it, one of the biggest bands in the world and ‘Photographic’ is one of their best songs, and I think a lot of the album’s reputation rests with that. So it’s a real curio, if you listen to the other label compilations around the time like Virgin’s ‘Methods Of Dance’ and stuff like that, they were probably a bigger indicator of what people were actually listening to.
On the ‘Some Bizzare Album’, what do you think are the best tracks outside of the “BIG 5” of DEPECHE MODE, SOFT CELL, THE THE, BLANCMANGE and B-MOVIE, I nominate ILLUSTRATION and THE FAST SET?
The ILLUSTRATION one is good and THE FAST SET’s cover of ‘King Of The Rumbling Spires’ is OK, but the single ‘Junction 1’ which they put out on Axis / 4AD is a better song I think. I really like the BLAH BLAH BLAH one, I’m a big fan of Tom Waits so when I think back to my own musical development, something like ‘Central Park’ would have teed me up for stuff like that.
A purely hypothetical question, what would have happened if DEPECHE MODE had been on Some Bizzare and SOFT CELL had been on Mute?
That’s a great question. Well for a start I think Dave Gahan would have had to go into rehab sooner! *laughs*
Seriously though, I don’t think either band would’ve been as successful, either creatively or commercially. You only have to listen to the demos SOFT CELL did with Daniel to hear that the regimented, sequenced production that worked so well for DEPECHE MODE didn’t for them, the exception being ‘Memorabilia’ of course. Plus SOFT CELL wouldn’t have gone to New York and had the experiences they did, which changed not only their creative direction but so many of their label mates too.
And with his more leftfield musical tastes, Stevo would’ve grown tired of Depeche’s early poppier stuff pretty quickly. And I don’t think he would’ve been emotionally mature enough to support them through Vince leaving and encouraging them to carry on. I think they would’ve have gone the way of B-MOVIE had they signed Some Bizzare.
Although Paul Statham from B-MOVIE could be considered Some Bizzare’s silent success story with his later co-writes for Peter Murphy, Dido and Kylie, why do you think out of the “BIG 5” that the band did not break into the mainstream?
Like lot of people, the first time I heard B-MOVIE was on the Flexipop flexidisc when ‘Remembrance Day’ was paired with SOFT CELL ‘Metro MRX’. If you follow the threads, then there were the singles ‘Marilyn Dreams’ and ‘Nowhere Girl’ plus there were two EPs before that, which positioned them as a perfect post-punk band. Personally, I always thought B-MOVIE had more in common with THE TEARDROP EXPLODES, THE SOUND and ECHO & THE BUNNYMEN. And Rick Holliday’s keyboard playing was very accomplished, much more musical and didn’t really fit in with that one-fingered synth thing. B-MOVIE’s singer Steve Hovington speaks very openly in the book about how at the time B-MOVIE thought they were geniuses and felt they should have been given a lot more respect than they got. And people at Phonogram genuinely thought they had a rival to DURAN DURAN on their hands. But it soon became apparent they weren’t that kind of band.
Rick Holliday was the last to join B-MOVIE and the first to leave when he went off with Cindy Ecstasy so I think the chemistry and group mentality of the band got really altered…
With most bands the chemistry is unique, and once you start to tamper with it, you lose something. As soon as Rick left, they changed the line-up and got session players in to re-record and re-re-record those early songs. By the time they finally released an album, they really weren’t the same band and they’d kind of lost what made them great. They were signed to Sire by that point and maybe weren’t really in control. Sometimes limitations are better and working within those parameters becomes part of the end result. Other times, you can give musicians access to big studios and big money, but they just lose what was good about them. I actually think B–MOVIE are a much better band now than they were during that mid-80s period.
Which version of THE THE ‘Uncertain Smile’ is your favourite, ‘Cold Spell Ahead’, the single version produced by Mike Thorne or the ‘Soul Mining’ one?
I’m going to be pedantic and say it’s actually none of those, it’s the 10 minute 12 inch version with the flute and sax produced by Mike Thorne. Outside of his work on ‘Untitled’, that was the first thing I heard by Matt Johnson. And taken with the two B-sides – ‘Three Orange Kisses From Kazan’ and ‘Waitin’ For The Upturn’ – it’s simply some of the best music ever recorded in my opinion.
I always thought it was a shame Matt Johnson didn’t stay working with Mike Thorne…
Yeah, that was a Stevo thing…
Some Bizzare’s union with CABARET VOLTAIRE’s club-oriented era now seems obvious but at the time, it wasn’t because they were known to be uncompromising and independent on their own?
I didn’t really know anything about CABARET VOLTAIRE before their Some Bizzare period, ‘Just Fascination’ was the first thing I heard by them. As far as I was concerned, they were like a new band who had just signed to Some Bizzare. Mal (Stephen Mallinder) told me they felt they had gone as far as they could go with Rough Trade and wanted to move onto bigger budgets and bigger studios. I was astounded to find they had nothing prepared when they made ‘The Crackdown’, they went into Trident Studios for a week, having never worked with a producer before, and just made it from scratch. Flood was engineering, Dave Ball played some keyboards and Stevo shopped the end result to the major labels.
What do you think was the seed of it going wrong for Some Bizzare?
That’s a tough one… I think Stevo wasn’t able to find another SOFT CELL, a big-selling pop act which could balance out his more left-field artists. So he didn’t have a contingency when bands wanted to leave. Also, this amazing idea of getting leftfield bands to be treated as bona-fide unit shifting pop stars, soon fell apart when the amount of money that the majors were spending on the records wasn’t being reflected in the amount of money being made. It was the cold hard facts of business that bit them on the arse in the end. I agree with Jim Thirwell aka FOETUS that the A&R decisions went out of the window. Maybe if Stevo had signed YELLO, who he was after at one point, things may have been different. But he signed TEST DEPARTMENT instead… which kind of sums it up! *laughs*
Some Bizzare had a great visual identity, so what was your favourite artwork?
The childish part of me wants to say, “the w*nking devil” on the cover of the ‘Infected’ 12”. I have the design on a T-shirt which I’ve only wore out once and even then kept it covered up! *laughs*
I love Andy Dog Johnson’s stuff for THE THE; I interviewed Matt a couple of times for the book and he was super generous. The second time I went to see him, he let me look at some of his brother’s sketchbooks… the guy was astounding, the colour palettes he used were incredible. I love Val Dehnam’s stuff although I know that’s not to everyone’s taste, but the cover of ‘Torment & Toreros’ is amazing. And I love the cover to the second compilation album too.
Of Huw Feather’s work it would be ‘Torch’ for me, such an incredible, confusing, vibrant image. There was a lot of one-off bits of artwork produced for the label, and over the years I’ve tried to track down all the fan club stuff and merch flyers that were produced. There were some brilliant single-use magazine adverts, too. In particular one for ‘Bedsitter’ from Sounds – a line drawing of what a bedsit would look like looking up from a bed. It didn’t appear on anything else, it was unique piece of artwork for the music press. I had far too much visual material to include in the book so a lot of it got left out. I’m aiming to get some of it up on my Instagram feed around the time of publication so people can see it.
What is the ultimate Some Bizzare record?
I think THE THE’s ‘Infected’ project is the ultimate crystallisation of what Stevo was trying to do. It’s a challenging piece of work – both musically and lyrically – and visually very strong. And there was an accompanying film which was incredibly expensive and again very cutting edge for the time. And of course Stevo got it bankrolled by a major label who lost their shirt on it – there was no way it was going to recoup. Yet it still stands up to this day – you can watch the film now and still be impressed by its production values, and the music is still incredible. The Some Bizzare ethos runs all the way through ‘Infected’.
What about the legacy of Stevo and Some Bizzare?
Stevo would disagree, but I think there are still people doing what he tried to do. DJ Food in the book mentions James Lavelle which I thought was a good example. Also Wiley too, who uses mainstream channels when they suit him, and goes underground when they don’t. A lot of legacy artists who now own their own means of production make their albums and then shop them to whichever label that gives them the best deal. People like Damon Albarn, Paul Weller and Nick Cave who retain artistic control but use the clout of a major, that’s definitely a Stevo thing.
As far as trying to push boundaries and change people’s minds about artistic expression, I don’t know. Things like the ‘Sex Dwarf’ video would be seen as relatively tame and facile now, I don’t think it would shock anybody…
…it’s not RAMMSTEIN’s ‘Pussy’ is it? *laughs*
No, it’s not, thank god! *laughs*
I don’t really know what sort of boundaries stuff like that is pushing to be honest, it doesn’t seem to have a point. The thing about Some Bizzare and what Stevo was trying to do, whether he knew it or not, was he allowed people who would not have access to that kind of platform to be heard. For a while, you could find out about bands like EINSTÜRZENDE NEUBAUTEN or SWANS, read about what they were trying to do, and then decide for yourself if you wanted to pursue their music further.
Your website is testament that the early-to-mid 80s period was a golden age for leftfield artists moving into the mainstream, which was great for the most part. But a lot of those acts adjusted their music to make it more palatable. THE FUTURE changed to THE HUMAN LEAGUE who signed to Virgin, and then split into THE HUMAN LEAGUE MKII and HEAVEN 17, and both made concessions to ongoing commercial success, for better or worse. But Neubauten always sounded like Neubauten, and Stevo’s attitude was, “Why shouldn’t they be on Virgin too? Get the music out there, and let people make up their own minds.”
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