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PETER COYLE Interview

Peter Coyle is probably best known as the lead singer of THE LOTUS EATERS, a band which he formed with Jeremy Kelly who had previously been a member of the cult Liverpool trio THE WILD SWANS.

Ged Quinn, another former member of THE WILD SWANS also joined THE LOTUS EATERS while the rhythm section eventually settled with drummer Steve Crease and bassist Michael Dempsey who had been in THE CURE and ASSOCIATES. They were signed by Arista Records but in a coincidental twist, the label also signed CARE, the new project of THE WILD SWANS’ singer Paul Simpson with Ian Broudie who would later find mainstream success as THE LIGHTNING SEEDS.

Their debut single ‘The First Picture of You’ reached No15 in the UK charts and seemed to be a permanent fixture on daytime radio during the Summer of 1983. However a successful follow-up hit proved elusive for THE LOTUS EATERS and the album ‘No Sense of Sin’ released in 1984 stalled at No96.

After the single ‘It Hurts’, THE LOTUS EATERS were no more and Peter Coyle released the solo albums ‘A Slap In The Face for Public Taste’ (1986) and ‘I’d Sacrifice Eight Orgasms With Shirley MacLaine Just to Be There’ (1988). But Coyle found solace in the emergence of rave and club culture to found 8 Productions and the G-Love nightclub, working with a number emerging artists in Liverpool’s dance scene.

While there have been reunions of THE LOTUS EATERS over the years, Peter Coyle has since 2020 been focused on his “Fractal” umbrella.  In March 2026, he released three new tracks ‘Rewind’, ‘My Shadow Self’ and ‘The Interface’, all recorded in his home studio in France. Drawing on his long-standing love of electronic music which perhaps hadn’t been apparent during THE LOTUS EATERS, Coyle’s keeps his songwriting fresh and unmistakably his own while embracing new technology.

With an artful new song ‘The Choice & The Meaning’ just issued, Peter Coyle kindly talked in-depth to ELECTRICITYCLUB.CO.UK about his career to date and his continuing creative motivations despite being assumed to be a “one hit wonder”….

So how does Peter Coyle Fractal musically differ from just being solo Peter Coyle and how has it evolved?

There is no grand plan — and that’s precisely the point. I’ve had so many different names and projects over the years that even I was losing track of what was what. Fractal became a way of drawing a clear line in the sand.

Musically it’s more uncompromising, more instinctive. It’s not shaped by what might get airplay or approval — it’s shaped entirely by what feels honest and necessary to me in the moment. Other projects have carried certain expectations, certain sounds. Fractal carries none of those. It’s me going for the jugular.

The music that comes out of it has to mean something — to me first, and hopefully to others once it exists. But I’m genuinely not playing the game of being popular or likeable. That freedom changes everything about how the music sounds and feels.

What interested you in pursuing a more explicit electronic direction?

The synthesizer has always been in my soul — right back to Brian Eno and Bowie on ‘Heroes’ and Low, and then TUBEWAY ARMY’s first album. And ‘Being Boiled’ by THE HUMAN LEAGUE is honestly one of the greatest pieces of music ever made. So this isn’t a new direction for me, it’s more like a homecoming.

What people might not realise is that I was heavily involved in dance music back in 1988 — virtually everything we were making then was synth based. So the electronic world and I go back a long way.

I started out in bands where guitar was the predominant force, which I think obscured that side of me for a while. I had a Prophet 5 back in the day — cost a fortune, wouldn’t stay in tune, and honestly it was a beast to operate. I’m not technical by nature. I have no real knowledge of music theory, chords, any of that — I work entirely on feel and instinct, never quite knowing what I’m doing in a conventional sense.

But that’s where technology has been genuinely liberating. Plug-ins have made the synthesizer so much more accessible, and when you’re working alone that matters enormously. And the sound palette available now is just beyond beautiful. I think that’s ultimately why the electronic direction has become so dominant — it suits both how I hear music and how I actually work.

Are you still writing songs traditionally” or has modern tech helped you a lot? What are your preferred tools?

My songwriting has changed enormously — technology has genuinely freed everything up in ways I couldn’t have imagined.

But I want to be honest about what the life of a songwriter actually looks like, because it’s rarely what people imagine. Almost every hour of the day you’re asking yourself where the hell you’re going with this — whether it’s going to work out. The dead ends are scary and relentless. And then somehow, if you persevere, things come together. That bit never changes regardless of the tools you’re using.

What technology has changed is the space in which all that happens. I love everything about it — but I feel strongly that the agency has to come from the soul. The artist has to get out of their own way, lose the ego, lose the desperation to make something stunning. But equally you cannot let the machine do all the heavy lifting — because then it just becomes generic, and life is genuinely too short for that. I’d rather get a job in a bank. Not that they’d employ me — but you get the general picture.

My early days were built around improvising — just throwing myself in and seeing where things went. And now, working with technology, that’s exactly what I still do. I improvise with it, follow where it leads, stay open to accidents and surprises. The tools have changed but that instinct is the same.

In terms of what I actually use — Ableton Live and Pro Tools have been absolute game changers for me. They’ve transformed how I work and what’s possible. But equally important is a kind of awareness I’ve developed — recognising that something throwaway, something you created when you weren’t even trying, or a mistake you almost deleted — can turn out to be the most exciting thing on the session. I’ve learned to listen to those moments rather than dismiss them.

Technology is full of what I’d call tools of love — instruments and possibilities designed to help the musician find themselves and express the image that exists inside them. That’s a beautiful thing when you think about it.

You released a mini-album in 2023 called Phasingwhich featured two collaborations with Martyn Ware on the title track and Out Of His Depth, how did that come about?

I’ve been a big fan of Martyn Ware since day one — since THE HUMAN LEAGUE, since everything that followed. And now I’m lucky enough to call him a friend, which still feels remarkable to me. The boy is a genius. His way of seeing the synthesizer, his understanding of space within sound — it’s a genuinely lovely thing to behold. He never stops, never settles, and he’s a wonderful human being on top of all that. An absolute joy to work with.

The way it came about was relatively simple — I sent him the ideas and e just loved them and shaped them in that beautiful way he has. Martyn was working on the tracks with Chaz Stooke, and together what they brought to the material was something I couldn’t have anticipated. They elevated everything in ways I couldn’t have done alone and I learned so much from the experience.

And that’s one of the key characteristics you notice about truly great musicians like Martyn — they are always on the go, always absorbing something new, always searching for that fresh momentum that seems to emerge out of nowhere. That energy is infectious. Being around it and being trusted with it meant a great deal to me.

The trancey hypnotism of one of your new releases Rewindwill surprise those who may be more used to the more acoustically” spirited songs of THE LOTUS EATERS, how did this song come together? 

I think people who have followed me for a while understand by now that I simply follow my own instincts and do my own thing — I don’t really look over my shoulder at what came before or what might be expected of me.

Rewind actually has a very specific origin — I’ve been asked to perform at the Rewind Festival at Henley on Thames in August 2026, which is incredibly exciting. But beyond the performance itself, the word started living in my head. ‘Rewind’. The way it suggests rewinding time, rewinding sound, rewinding memories. I loved the interplay between all those ideas and what they meant to me personally.

The lyric at the heart of it — “we dreamed we could have it all” — pretty much sums up that genuine joy and excitement we felt back in the day when we were young and invincible. That feeling of boundless possibility. I wanted to capture that honestly rather than sentimentalise it.

And that tension is where the interesting stuff lives for me creatively right now. Bringing the old head into the cutting edge — writing real melodies and meaningful lyrics within a very modern electronic and dance context. It’s not about nostalgia and it’s not about chasing trends — it’s about finding a place where melody and rhythm connect in a fresh and unexpected way rather than retreading old well-travelled terrain. Anyone can do that. I’d rather take the road that feels alive.

The trancey hypnotic quality in ‘Rewind’ wasn’t something I planned — it emerged organically. And those are always the most exciting moments in the studio — when something takes on a life and a feeling entirely of its own.

The Interfaceis full of IDM vibes but what is the song a metaphor for?

It’s a deep song that works on many levels simultaneously — which is exactly how I wanted it.

At its core I think the main theme is about reaching a point in life where you completely lose the urge to fit in and conform. Not that I ever really had that urge particularly — but it becomes even more pronounced as you get older. There’s a liberation in that. Getting on the weird bus, as the lyric says — and genuinely not caring anymore.

The interface itself is a metaphor for all the layers we hide behind in modern life — the masks, the performances, the carefully managed versions of ourselves we present to the world. The polygraph line cuts through all of that — because ultimately the truth always finds a way out. The interface is the flaw. The interface hides it all. But it can’t hide everything forever.

And underneath all of that it comes back to love — it always comes back to love. Without it you become a slave to the sequence, you’re just going through the motions, digging holes full of secrets. That feels very true to me.

What I find exciting about the song sonically is the clash of contexts — it sounds quite melancholic on the surface but the grooves and the sounds lift it and give it these positive, almost euphoric edges. That tension between the emotional content and the musical landscape is what makes songs genuinely interesting to me. The repeated “I I I I I” is so simple but feels incredibly heartfelt in context — sometimes the most naked moments hit the hardest.

Watching this one evolve in the studio was genuinely exciting. I’m learning something new every single day and songs like The Interface are proof of why that process never gets old.

My Shadow Selftakes a real about turn 3 minutes in after starting off all moody?

Even though I say so myself — ‘Shadow Self’ is really something special to me.

The lyrics live in a very sensual, almost dreamlike space — there’s desire and hunger and intimacy running through the whole thing. But it’s not straightforward — nothing I find interesting ever is. The shadow self is that hidden part of you, the part you don’t show the world, the part that perhaps only another person’s love or touch can reach and release. That’s what the song is really about — that moment of complete vulnerability where someone else cracks you open.

It starts off introvert and sexually charged — almost chained down, as you say. There’s a moodiness and a weight to it. And then without any explanation or warning the whole mood shifts and transforms — real freedom just explodes out of the love. That transition at around three minutes isn’t something I planned or engineered — it felt like the only honest place the song could go.

Life and love are messy and constantly changing — life is quantum and wild and free. The song mirrors that completely. There’s an exhilaration and a complete enigma to the whole feel of it that I find endlessly fascinating.

The line ‘I’m not asking for rescue’ feels crucial to me — because it’s not a song about weakness or dependency. It’s about that extraordinary thing that happens between two people when the walls finally come down. “Crack me open with your fingers under the sky of silver release” — that’s as honest and raw as I’ve ever been in a lyric.

And the way the music and textures play around with the words creates whole new fractal worlds — which is exactly what excites me so deeply about working this way. That word fractal keeps coming back for a reason. It’s in everything I do now.

On the spiky YOu ARE not the MeDiA, who or what are you taking aim at?

The song is pretty direct — it’s taking aim at a very specific modern phenomenon that I find genuinely troubling.

In a word — Marxism. But not necessarily in the old traditional sense. What I’m really talking about is this new wave of people with absolute so-called moral clarity who have appointed themselves the arbiters of what can and cannot be said, thought or expressed. When I encounter that mindset it triggers something very visceral in me — it takes me straight back to being a young Catholic boy faced with the same kind of unquestionable dogma and authoritarianism. Different packaging, same controlling impulse.

Authoritarianism is very much back in fashion right now and it frightens me. The idea that private property is the root of all human suffering — that if we just dismantle enough structures and cancel enough voices everything will be fixed — I firmly and completely disagree with that outlook. Human suffering exists because we refuse to genuinely work together and bring out the best in one another. It’s not about ownership — it’s about connection and contribution.

The doublespeak in the lyrics is very deliberate — because that’s exactly how this mindset operates. It presents itself as liberation while practicing the most rigid form of control. It claims to speak for everyone while silencing anyone who disagrees.

And here’s the thing — I don’t care that there are musicians infinitely more talented than me. I cherish that fact. I’m genuinely and eternally grateful for it. It’s a beautiful thing. What matters to me is my contribution to the human story — not my control or manipulation of the narrative. That distinction feels more important than ever right now.

The song needed to be spiky and confrontational — because that’s exactly what the subject matter demands.

One of your other more recent tracks Utopiadoes have one of those euphoric rave-styled backing vocals, courtesy of Kim Shepherd?

‘Utopia’ is in many ways a companion piece to ‘YOu ARE not the MeDiA’— but it approaches the same territory from a more universal and perhaps more sorrowful place. Where that song is confrontational and spiky, ‘Utopia’ is almost a lament.

The central idea is something that feels very real and very urgent to me — that the pursuit of utopia, any utopia, ultimately destroys everything it claims to want to build. Sacred cows everywhere. Ideology and blind loyalty blocking access to genuine human connection and love. Information that was supposed to liberate us has instead put us in chains. We’ve become cogs in a wheel with no humanity and no sanity. That feels like an honest description of where we are right now.

But what makes the song truly special to me is what Kim Shepherd did with it. When I wrote and recorded it I sang it in falsetto and it was deeply melancholic — almost defeated. And then Kim took that same melody and transformed it into something utterly euphoric. The same words, the same notes — and yet an entirely different emotional world. That’s a beautiful alchemy that I genuinely couldn’t have predicted or engineered. It just happened and it’s extraordinary.

The song also came together through a wonderful collaboration with Liam Saunders who created such a brilliant vibe with his bass and synths — and then the brilliant Connor Whyte on guitar added something truly mesmerising to the whole thing. That chemistry that evolves when you bring the right artists together is one of the most exciting things about making music. You create something that none of you could have made alone. It was a wonderful experience and a genuinely beautiful thing to be part of.

What did you find appealing about club music after THE LOTUS EATERS?

Escape. That’s the honest one word answer.

After THE LOTUS EATERS, I needed to keep moving — to stay still would have meant sitting with a personal pain I wasn’t ready to face. I needed salvation and I found it, as I always have, in the love of music itself.

Getting involved in dance music and club culture through our project Eight — where we were creating dance music and running club nights — healed me in ways I’m not sure anything else could have. There was something about that world, that energy, that community, that felt genuinely redemptive.

And the culture itself was just beautiful to be part of. I remember watching lads coming up to the DJ clutching a twelve inch record they were excited about — that image has never left me. That pure uncomplicated love of music with no pretension and no agenda. Just the music and the feeling it gave you.

But the single greatest feeling I have ever experienced in all my time in music — and I mean that — was being in a club when all of a sudden the crowd just erupts. Thousands of people in complete ecstasy. And it’s one of my tunes doing that to them. I will never forget that moment for as long as I live. It was humbling and overwhelming and I am eternally grateful for it. Genuinely one of the greatest highlights of everything I have ever done.

Music heals. It really does. And that period of my life proved it to me beyond any doubt.

Some might be surprised to learn you co-wrote and co-produced the Marina Van-Roy rave pop track Sly One’ which came out on DeConstruction in 1990…  can you remember how you ending up writing for someone else?

The story behind ‘Sly One’ is one of my favourites actually — because it perfectly illustrates how the bad moments can be the key to your best moments. You just have to ride the waves.

I had just submitted a song to Seal — I was completely in love with Adamski’s ‘Killer’, still am. One of the greatest pop tunes ever written and one of the best vocals ever recorded. Full stop. So I wrote something in that world — a song about living in a mad world and not really coping — and sent it off hoping he might cover it. They came back and said it wasn’t happening. I was gutted.

So I walked into the studio, picked up an acoustic guitar and wrote ‘Sly One’. Just like that. Out of that disappointment came something new. And here’s a lovely footnote to that story — Seal subsequently came out with ‘Crazy’, which I absolutely love. Same theme as what I’d sent him, but better expressed. Another brilliant tune. The universe works in mysterious ways.

At that point I had just come off the back of two enormously ambitious projects — the first was actually a triple album called ‘A Slap In The Face For Public Taste’, and the second was called ‘I’d Sacrifice Eight Orgasms With Shirley MacLaine Just To Be There’. As you can probably tell, I was not playing it safe. I had my voice all over both of them and I needed to keep moving, keep things fresh, try something completely different.

So I gave ‘Sly One’ to Marina. And what she did with it was extraordinary. She brought this beautiful vulnerability and atmosphere to the track that completely transformed it — landing it on DeConstruction. Though if I’m honest, Warp Records would have been the natural spiritual home for that record — but that’s another story entirely. Her vocal on that record is truly iconic in my opinion. A song written on an acoustic guitar becoming a rave pop record — that’s a journey I could never have planned and I love that about it.

How do you find the modern method of releasing music via these online singles and doing social media?

To be honest with you I have struggled with that side of things since day one — and I mean day one.

I never liked record companies. The boring offices, the suits, the gatekeepers — none of it ever felt like it had anything to do with music. And the old system could be soul destroying in its own particular ways. I remember releasing club records and DJs would come back saying it was the wrong tempo or not the right genre — and it would genuinely do my head in. You’ve poured your heart into something and someone’s telling you the BPM is slightly off.

The modern system has removed some of those gatekeepers which should feel liberating — and in some ways it does. The ability to just put music out into the world without needing anyone’s permission is genuinely extraordinary when you think about how different it was before.

But the business side of things — the social media, the marketing, the constant content, the algorithms — it’s a massive universe and I neglect it. I’ll be completely honest about that. It’s not ideal and I know it. But you only get one life and I have to make choices about where my energy goes.

My energy goes into the music. My real aspiration — the thing that drives me every single day — is to write a game changing song. That’s it. That’s what gets me up in the morning. Everything else is noise.

And I think that connects back to why I started Peter Coyle Fractal in the first place — this was never about being popular or likeable. It’s about going for the jugular and making music that genuinely matters.

Is the intention to rewind and do it the old fashioned way with a physical long player or has the album sadly had its day in your opinion?

Music is dead. That’s a strong statement but there’s a lot of truth in it — and paradoxically it makes things quite interesting.

The album was an emotional object. A complete emotional experience — like sitting with a poem from beginning to end. It had weight and intention and architecture. And poetry is about as relevant as music now in this TikTok and AI world — which is both a sad and a fascinating thing to contemplate. The modernist existence of making music as we understood it is genuinely over. That era has passed.

As for physical albums specifically — I love what they represented and what they meant. That ritual of holding something, reading the sleeve notes, experiencing the whole journey an artist intended — that was sacred in its own way. Whether that comes back in any meaningful cultural sense I honestly don’t know. What I do know is that I refuse to let that question paralyse me.

Because here’s the choice as I see it — we can be victims of these changes and say “woe is me”, the world has moved on and left us behind. Or we can say no problem. We will deal with it come what may. These are different times and they demand a different response.

And actually at the core of things musicians and music makers are problem solvers. Always have been. We take chaos and emotion and confusion and we turn it into something meaningful and communicable. That skill — that instinct — is needed now more than ever in this deeply problematic and fragmented world. The format may have changed beyond recognition but the human need for what music actually does has never been greater.

So music may be dead in one sense. But in another sense it’s never been more necessary.

When THE LOTUS EATERS formed, did you feel any of tension or rivalry with CARE from THE WILD SWANS ex-members, especially with both acts being signed to Arista?

I’ve spent a large part of my life doing sport — and the greatest thing about sportspeople is that they truly know what it feels like to both lose and win. They assimilate it into their whole way of being. That experience shaped how I see competition fundamentally.

The history here is complex and I won’t pretend otherwise. THE WILD SWANS were the forerunners to THE LOTUS EATERS — and the split that led to the formation of the band involving myself and Jeremy Kelly was bitter and painful for people involved. Paul Simpson has written honestly and extensively about how deeply unhappy he was about that whole period — feeling that his songs and his vision had been taken from him. That’s a real human hurt and I respect that he has expressed it.

But I want to say this clearly — Ian Broudie and Paul Simpson did brilliant things with CARE and I was a genuine fan. ‘Flaming Sword’ is a beautiful track. And life has a wonderful way of weaving things together in unexpected ways — I’ve worked with Ian Broudie on some tracks for THE LIGHTNING SEEDS since then. So it’s all far more complex and interweaved than any simple narrative of rivalry would suggest.

Liverpool was an incredibly intense place and the rivalries were fierce — and actually I think that’s a brilliant thing. That intensity pushes people to get better, to write better songs, to reach further than they might otherwise have done. The city has always had that quality and it has produced extraordinary music because of it.

The only downfall is when it spills over into the personal space. That’s where it becomes pointless and destructive. Because my competition has always been with myself. To try and do my best. To be better than I was yesterday. The Caligula whispering — that Machiavellian desperation to undermine and position and manoeuvre — it’s just not my cup of tea. It never has been. I don’t respond to it because life is genuinely too short and that energy belongs in a tacky soap opera, not in a recording studio.

And at moments like that I always think about James Joyce. He told a friend that he had spent the last eight hours writing a single sentence. Eight hours. One sentence. And his friend asked what was so difficult about it — and Joyce said he knew what order he wanted the words in, he just wasn’t sure about the comma. But what a sentence it was — “the heaventree of stars hung with humid, nightblue fruit.” That is where the focus should always lie. Not in rivalry or politics or positioning. In finding your own heaventree of stars. That’s all that matters.

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‘The First Picture Of You’ was literally everywhere in the summer of 1983, did you figure you had something special when you wrote it?

No — not at all. And that’s probably exactly why I agreed for it to be released.

The honest truth is I wasn’t ready for success. I was a young man who knew that if I wanted to continue as a singer I needed to somehow find the skills to cope in the outside world — but I didn’t really have them. And here’s the thing — I’m not even ready now at 64. It’s genuinely not my vibe. I need my own space. It’s not good for me to be a famous person and I’ve made a kind of peace with that.

As far as celebrity culture goes — I would rather sit down with a glass of prosecco with Mark E Smith and Goya than engage in any of that world. That says everything about where my head is. THE FALL, Francisco Goya — that’s my kind of company. The radical, the visionary, the uncompromising.

But going back to the song itself — I knew I had written something romantic. Something that felt genuine and tender. What I absolutely had no idea about was the context it would land in. I wrote it in the coldest days of December — the middle of winter — so the idea that it would become this iconic summer song that was literally everywhere in 1983 was completely beyond my imagination at the time. There’s something rather beautiful about that — a winter song that became the sound of summer. Sometimes the best things happen when you have absolutely no idea what you’re doing.

The follow-up to ‘The First Picture Of You’ was the wonderful ‘You Don’t Need Someone New’ and is something of an outlier in hindsight, it’s more “synthy” than other tracks by THE LOTUS EATERS and wasn’t included on the album ‘No Sense Of Sin’, what were the reasons for that?

So glad you appreciated it — yes it was our second single and it remains a really interesting piece of work to me. What people might not know is that we actually wanted ‘German Girl’ to be the follow up single — but the record company flatly refused. Those battles between artistic vision and commercial reality were a constant feature of that whole period. ‘You Don’t Need Someone New’ was the compromise — and actually it turned out to be a fascinating record in its own right.

It was a genuine hit in the New York discos which I loved — there’s something wonderful about that. A record that didn’t set the UK charts alight finding its audience in an entirely different world and context. New York in that era was the centre of the musical universe in many ways and knowing that record was being played in those clubs means a great deal to me.

As for why it didn’t make ‘No Sense Of Sin’ — honestly the simplest explanation is the right one. We had too many songs and something had to give. That’s always a painful process. The track was produced by Alan Tarney who is a remarkable figure — he worked with some of the biggest artists of that era and his production instincts were extraordinary. And yes — he absolutely loves his synths. It was at his house that I first encountered the Fairlight CMI synthesizer and sampler in person. I’ll never forget that moment.

The Fairlight cost around seventy thousand pounds — in early 1980s money. Just let that sink in for a moment. It was an absolutely extraordinary and revolutionary piece of technology and seeing it for the first time was like looking at the future. That experience fed directly into my ever deepening love affair with the synthesizer and everything it represents. Alan was a fascinating character and I learned enormously from being around him

What was the story behind German Girl, the opener on No Sense Of Sin, is it autobiographical?

Yes. Completely autobiographical.

Her name was Stephanie Arnold. She is no longer with us sadly — and I want to acknowledge that because she deserves to be remembered. She was a remarkable presence in my life and this song is my testament to that.

She was never actually German — but she had a Louise Brooks haircut. That iconic, severe, utterly beautiful look that Brooks made famous in the classic silent film ‘Pandora’s Box’. There was something about Stephanie that existed in that same world — cinematic, otherworldly, unforgettable.

The whole song was written under the influence of Bertolt Brecht — that sense of heightened reality, of theatre and dream existing simultaneously, of emotion so large it breaks through the conventions of ordinary expression. Brecht understood that sometimes the most honest thing you can do is be completely and unapologetically artificial — because that artifice gets closer to the truth of feeling than straightforward realism ever could.

The song is extremely self-indulgent and doesn’t acknowledge so called reality at all — and I make no apology for that. It exists in another world entirely. Another dream. It is at its heart an insane love song built entirely on daydreams and passion and the kind of feelings that a young man carries for someone who seems to belong to a different and more beautiful universe than the one everyone else inhabits.

The fact that the record company wouldn’t let it be our second single still baffles me. But perhaps some songs are too personal, too singular, too much their own thing to be commercial propositions. ‘German Girl’ is exactly that. And I treasure it.

On your Bandcamp, your self-deprecating bio says you had a hit record in 1984 with a song called first picture of you…”, it did prove to be a hard act to follow, so what is your take on what happened with THE LOTUS EATERS and not being able to sustain momentum?

I love that bio — I think self-awareness is one of the most underrated qualities a musician can have. And yes — ‘The First Picture Of You’ was a genuinely hard act to follow.

It was tough. Genuinely tough. And there was a point where I nearly packed it all in — but not for the reasons people might assume. It wasn’t the lack of commercial success that almost broke me. It was a personal betrayal that cut very deeply. I won’t go into the details here — some things deserve to remain private — but it shook me to my core.

And yet. And yet.

It turned out to be the best thing that ever happened to me. I mean that completely and without any bitterness. Because the lack of commercial success, the not fitting in, the refusal to conform — all of that gave me something that no amount of chart positions could ever have provided. It gave me space. Space to breathe, to explore, to grow, to become the artist I actually wanted to be rather than the one the industry wanted me to be.

Every single conversation we’ve had in this interview traces back to that moment of apparent failure. The Peter Coyle Fractal project, the electronic direction, the uncompromising lyrics, the collaborations, the freedom to write songs that genuinely matter to me — none of that exists without that crossroads.

And so when I think about lying on my deathbed someday — and I think about it with complete equanimity — I can be at peace. Because I gave my music life everything I had. Not everything the industry wanted. Everything I had. That’s enough. That’s more than enough.

The Bandcamp bio will probably stay exactly as it is.

Although THE LOTUS EATERS were pictured as a duo, you were actually a five piece band, in hindsight were too many directions trying to be pulled at once?

Not at all — and actually the reality of THE LOTUS EATERS was quite different from the public image.

Ged — who was one of the original members — was first and foremost a visual artist. He went on to study at Oxford and eventually became a truly world famous artist. If Ged had stayed there would have been three of us in those pictures rather than two. He was extraordinary and his artistic vision was very much part of the early DNA of the band.

Michael and Stephen came later and added their own dimensions to what we were doing. THE LOTUS EATERS were never a simple or straightforward proposition — but I don’t think that was ever the problem.

The truth is we were serious outliers and genuinely ahead of our time — and that’s a difficult place to be in any era but particularly in the early 1980s when the industry wanted things neat and categorisable. We weren’t appreciated in the way we perhaps deserved to be at the time and that didn’t help. History has been kinder to us than the contemporary reception was.

In the end, Jeremy hooked back up with Paul Simpson and THE WILD SWANS — going back to pursue the success and the vision he had always craved. Given everything that had happened between those parties, that was quite a journey in itself.

And as I said before — it turned out to be the best thing that ever happened to me. That phrase keeps coming back because it keeps being true. Every apparent ending in my story has turned out to be a beginning in disguise.

By the time It Hurtscame out in 1985, did you already feel it was time to move on from THE LOTUS EATERS?

Yes — by that point Jeremy had already made his decision. The writing was very much on the wall.

‘It Hurts’ wasn’t a hit at the time which was another blow — although the story has a wonderful footnote. An Italian band later covered it and took it to number one in the Italian charts. So the song found its audience eventually, just not where or when we expected. That feels very on brand for THE LOTUS EATERS somehow.

But looking back now it was a blessing — because there was already a major rift running through everything we were doing. The video for ‘It Hurts’ is actually a perfect illustration of where we were as a partnership at that point.

It was my idea to use Louise Brooks footage — that connection to her world clearly running deep in me, as anyone who knows ‘German Girl’ will understand. The video director asked both Jeremy and I to come up with separate storyboards and said he would choose whichever one he preferred. He chose mine. And that decision enraged and infuriated Jeremy.

So Jeremy made his statement. He played the guitar blindfolded throughout the video. And here’s the thing — looking back now I think it was sheer genius. I am genuinely so glad he did it. Because it is so utterly iconic in its weirdness — one of the great oddities of 1980s pop culture as far as I’m concerned. A moment of creative defiance that accidentally became something completely unforgettable.

There’s a lesson in there somewhere about how the most interesting things often emerge from conflict and tension rather than harmony and agreement. The universe works in mysterious ways and sometimes anger produces beauty.

You continue to perform live at selected events to sing The First Picture Of Youand do some cover versions, how do you choose them? Is there a song you havent done which you would like to cover?

There’s an important distinction to make here — when I do my own concerts, I only perform my own songs, both old and new. That’s nonnegotiable for me. That’s where my heart is.

But when you’re talking about the 80s festivals — yes, I’ll do the occasional cover and I do that out of politeness more than anything else. The audiences at those events are there for a good time and knowing the tune matters to them. So I’ll pull out ‘Ashes To Ashes’ or ‘Solsbury Hill’ from time to time — both songs I genuinely love and respect rather than just obvious crowd pleasers. But if I’m completely honest I would much rather be doing my own material. That’s just the reality of that particular world.

As for a song I’ve never covered but would love to — two tracks keep coming back to me and they couldn’t be more different from each other. ‘Ghosts’ by JAPAN — that extraordinary, skeletal, emotionally devastating piece of music that David Sylvian created. And then on the complete other end of the spectrum — ‘Paranoid’ by BLACK SABBATH. I love that riff, that energy, that vocal, that complete and utter commitment to its own world. I love everything about it. The fact that those two choices seem completely contradictory probably says everything about me as an artist.

The live landscape itself is becoming increasingly difficult for someone in my position. I’m too disparate as an artist and don’t have a conventional fan base in the traditional sense — which makes the whole thing genuinely problematic to navigate. And the broader culture right now isn’t helping. Cost cutting is rampant, venues are struggling and people seem to be retreating into the comfort of the familiar — reverting to the past because the present feels too uncertain and frightening.

I understand that impulse completely. But it does make the space for genuinely new and challenging live music smaller and smaller. And that’s a loss for everyone.

What is next for you?

There’s a lot coming and I’m genuinely excited about all of it.

First up there’s a new song out called ‘The Choice & The Meaning’ — and even that title feels like it connects to everything I’ve been talking about in this interview. The artwork is mine but it’s Andrew at Soft Octopus who really makes it work with his cover design. Andrew has done the last four or five covers for me now and looking at them together they work almost as a series — which was never planned that way at all. It just evolved organically. Another beautiful happy accident. Andrew and I have also made music together previously — a track called ‘You & I’ which is out there on Spotify and everywhere else — and I’m hoping we’ll do more of that soon.

Then in early May, ‘Beachball’ comes out on the BOH Label which I’m really looking forward to people hearing. And in the summer there’s a new album coming with the ESP PROJECT — a genuinely exciting collaboration with Tony Lowe that has been a wonderful creative experience.

And of course there’s the Rewind Festival at Henley-on-Thames in August 2026 — which feels like it’s going to be a very special moment for all sorts of reasons that anyone who has heard the song ‘Rewind’ will understand.

But beyond all the specific releases and dates — the honest answer to what’s next is simply this. As long as I feel like I’m learning something new I will keep making music. That’s the only metric that matters to me. Not the charts, not the algorithms, not the streaming numbers — am I still learning? Am I still growing? Am I still surprising myself?

Right now the answer to all of those questions is yes. And long may that continue.


ELECTRICITYCLUB.CO.UK gives its warmest thanks to Peter Coyle

Special thanks to Andrew Dineley at Soft Octopus

The single ‘The Choice & The Meaning’ is released on 3rd April 2026 and available digitally on the usual platforms including Apple Music and Deezer

Other releases by Peter Coyle Fractal are available at https://petercoylefractal.bandcamp.com/music

Peter Coyle performs at Rewind Henley-on-Thames on Sunday 23rd August 2026

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Text and Interview by Chi Ming Lai
3rd April 2026

HEAVEN 17: The Sound With Vision Interview

HEAVEN 17 are making a documentary and their audience will feature as its stars.

Celebrating 45 years of HEAVEN 17, this upcoming film will be directed by the BAFTA-nominated James Strong and go behind-the-scenes with Glenn Gregory and Martyn Ware on their ‘Sound With Vision’ tour while also interviewing fans from around the world.

Formed after the split of THE HUMAN LEAGUE Mk1 in 1980, Martyn Ware and Ian Craig Marsh recruited their friend Glenn Gregory to front a new pop project HEAVEN 17 named after a fictional band mentioned in the dystopian novel and film ‘A Clockwork Orange’. Their 1981 debut long player ‘Penthouse & Pavement’ gained much acclaim. After a few near Top40 misses with the singles ‘(We Don’t Need This) Fascist Groove Thang’, ‘Play To Win’ and ‘Let Me Go’, HEAVEN 17 finally had two Top5 hits ‘Temptation’ and ‘Come Live With Me’ in 1983.

Despite this success and with the parent album ‘The Luxury Gap’ certified platinum, HEAVEN 17 remained a studio only concern. The following albums ‘How Men Are’, ‘Pleasure One’ and ‘Teddy Bear, Duke & Psycho’ were unable to replicate their sales impact. However after a hiatus of several years, Messrs Gregory, Marsh and Ware released a comeback album ‘Bigger Than America’ and sprang an even bigger surprise by opening for ERASURE on their ‘Cowboy’ UK arena tour in 1997.

Beginning a new phase, there  was even a live album ‘How Live Is’ but following the album ‘Before/After’ in 2005, Marsh bid farewell leaving  Gregory and Ware to develop HEAVEN 17 as a performing entity over the past 25 years with engaging shows that have brought the remaining duo closer to their loyal followers.

In his eighth interview with ELECTRICITYCLUB.CO.UK, Martyn Ware chatted about the concept of ‘Sound With Vision’ and the ever changing notion of fandom.

What is the idea behind this ‘Sound With Vision’ tour?

Essentially, a friend of ours James Strong runs a production company called Strong Pictures and is also a successful writer/director/producer who has won Emmys, he did ‘Mr Bates vs. The Post Office’, and ‘Broadchurch’, he worked with Glenn who did the soundtracks for his series ‘Liar’ and ‘Vigil’ with Berenice Scott.

He saw us perform at Shepherd’s Bush Empire and was struck by the unusual connection between the stage and the audience and between Glenn, myself and the band. It’s a warm experience, you’ve been, you’ve seen it, we make an effort to communicate and empathise that a lot of this audience are coming out as a relief from the existential nightmare that we’re all in, to understand that people want you to break that fourth wall. It gives them the sense that every gig they come to is a unique experience.

So James has seen us play loads but he was struck by how it had grown over time and how we have got loads of diehard fans… it is really nice to come onto stage and see lots of people who you are familiar with because it gives you a sense of confidence, it’s like having a home crowd at a football game.

In the background, James and Glenn had been mulling over the idea of doing some kind of documentary film about HEAVEN 17. For ages we thought it was a good idea but to be honest, does the world need another documentary backstage with the band and the great and good, lots of concert footage and a few jeopardy moments?

Then Glenn rang me with an idea… why don’t we make the hook of the next tour about a documentary celebrating that connection with the audience and our fans.  When we were doing VIP meet ‘n’ greets before the shows on the last tour, there were all these people who came up to us going “I’ve been to see you 30 times” and  we didn’t know who these people were, we didn’t recognise them from the audience or anything. We knew there were an obsessive hardcore following us like a football team, but this was new revelation for us and much more widespread than we thought.

We started thinking about our friends in this 80s and electronic scene, how there is a kind of zeitgeist at the moment for people of a certain age and their offspring who have no interest as to “when” the music was made. We started moving into a situation where 10-20% of the audience are new. So we thought we’d celebrate this by making a documentary that is as much about the fans as it is about the band, a little bit like Louis Theroux… so whatever, even if you are looking at it from the outside wondering what the hell is going on, it’s still going to be entertaining.

So how will your fans take part in the documentary, will there be a filming booth at each show which people can queue up for to volunteer their comments?

 We haven’t figured that out yet, but that’s one way of looking at it. I think it will be quite nice to see them in their homes…

SPARKS did that for an MTV featurette…

Anyone who has an interest will get on it, we want as many people from as many different countries. Like there’s an 80s nostalgia thing going on in America… incidentally next year, we are doing an 80s cruise with Gary Numan in the Caribbean.

Photo by Richard Price

I was wondering if this fan relationship is a relatively recent phenomenon because of social media, but also because HEAVEN 17 didn’t tour back in the day, so you were sort of detached from your fanbase until the 1997 ERASURE tour which even then, it is likely people were almost treating you as a new act?

That’s absolutely quite perceptive of you may I say Chi; I think it’s true and we weren’t confident that it wasn’t just a bunch of weirdos out there… one fan Sumo who has been to 250 shows now, when I first met him, he brought this scrapbook and rather than keeping it as a memento, he gave it to me… this was like a different level of fandom that I wasn’t particular familiar with. I mean, I’ve never seen an act more than a dozen times at most.

But it was something we always wanted to happen, we always liked to build some kind of artistic conceit, a cinematic universe if you will, where everything is connected artistically and there is a deeper meaning to most of the stuff we do. The thought that there were people out there then (it’s all weird kind of time travel stuff this!), the fact that we only started performing live in 1997, so this is 28 years ago! This was 17 years after we formed ironically, so we have had an unusual career in that respect. So people didn’t get a chance to thank us I suppose.

One thing I noticed researching old CDs and all that, HEAVEN 17 were one of the first acts to have an email contact address in the booklet, so how did people respond to you?

We’ve always tried to allow contact, we’re in a fortunate position where we are not Taylor Swift and don’t get half a million emails! There’s a definite intention from both Glenn and myself , and Ian when he was in the band, that we wanted to be an open as possible with the fans and have as much contact. In fact, it was even more important when we didn’t perform live so we had the HEAVEN 17 Plan fan club which Lindsay, Glenn’s wife used to run.

We’ve tried to encourage as much contact as possible with the fans. But it was a bit of a dichotomy because we liked the idea of people on videos, you’re almost like an actor and a fantasy thing, then one day Robert De Niro says “you can email me if you want”… of course, I’m exaggerating it to make a point but you know what I mean?

An interesting flip of this contact, and this is something Neil Arthur of BLANCMANGE said to me, is that you are more accessible so people start approaching you about weird stuff, telling you their record is scratched and asking what you’re going to do about it… how have you dealt with the more intrusive side of being more open to your fanbase on social media?

 I have to say it’s only a tiny amount, maybe 5% or less. But if we have a tour or a record coming, the most common annoying things are messages like “what time are you coming onstage?”, I sometimes respond and sometimes I don’t.

Then there’s people having issues with Ticketmaster or the venues themselves. But because I’m a point of contact and Glenn is in the background not having to deal with it, if something goes wrong and there’s a mistake in the publicity, Muggins here has to deal with it, they don’t contact the venue or the promoter… so I’ve had to back off on all that stuff. But it’s a rare thing.

Another thing about this approachability on social media, it means the artist has to regularly do postings but now there’s this trend for reels… CHINA CRISIS used to be quite mousey and quiet on socials but have taken to these filmed promo reels quite well but poor TEARS FOR FEARS look like they’re in one of those hostage videos! How do you feel about doing this kind of shortform in-person publicity?

We have PR for this ‘Sound With Vision’ tour which the promoter is paying for, they’re doing it properly and have got us on TV. This is no small thing getting on BBC1 at peak time but I have to say their research is sh*t because it’s always “WHAT AN AMAZING COMEBACK” when we we’ve been doing it for more than 27 years! But the great thing is they go “Oooh! ‘Temptation’”, “Ooooh ‘(We Don’t Need This) Fascist Groove Thang’, you should put that out again”, like that’s an original thought, I don’t get one of those emails every day! *laughs*

We do make an effort, it’s building and building ad building until hopefully this tour will sell out, it takes a long time this to do that stuff.  But I do think it’s good to be out of the public eye for a while so that you don’t bore people to death, so my view is to keep it until when you need it.

I know what you mean about researchers who are getting younger, did not grow up with this music and not getting things right… but do you make allowances for this?

No, I’m very unforgiving, I think it’s easier to research than ever before, I think it’s laziness… it’s not the game it used to be, I was talking to someone the other day that the notion of journalism is going to sh*t basically!

Yes I agree, but I suppose a young BBC intern isn’t going to know who HEAVEN 17 are, but what annoys me much more are these so-called electronic music media outlets who see it as their specialism but don’t have a clue or do the research…

Well, they can’t all be you Chi but I’m harsher on the BBC and the major radio stations who literally can’t be arsed!

HEAVEN 17 have done the VIP package thing and everyone does that now, but the notion of it has been flipped by Ticketmaster who have been selling tickets as “VIP” which get nothing more than a lanyard, a poster and a bar nearer the seat… I know of people who bought these packages who really did think they were going to meet Bruce Springsteen and Taylor Swift… so this rise in concert elitism through VIP, what do you think?

Well, we thought about the VIP thing for a while before we started doing it but we regard it as a valuable tool to help support the costs of the tour. Fundamentally, there’s me and Glenn, then everybody else on the stage, all the staff, the drivers, front of house engineer and lighting etc all have to be paid. We only get paid at the end on the bottom line after. Fortunately the last few tours have done really well. But when we did the tours with the full band in 2010-2013, we looked at the figures after the tours, me and Glenn made zero money, we barely broke even. We were mugs for quite a while and I know we are not stupid business wise, but things are expensive and things have got more expensive now.

We were approached to tour America a long time ago and asked our manager to do an illustration of what it would earn us and it was like peanuts, but everyone else would have got paid. So that went back and forth every 3-4 years, the offer went up a little bit more each time and eventually we did it. When we got there, it ended up being more expensive than what our management had projected and we ended up losing money. Then we were asked again so we started asking ABC, THOMPSON TWINS, OMD and almost to a man, they said “Oh, we’re not doing it for the money, we’re doing it because we want to do it!” but me and Glenn aren’t really in that situation, we’re not poverty stricken but…

The whole live thing is getting more polarised all the time, we did the support for CULTURE CLUB with Tony Hadley on a UK arena tour last year, we had a great time, the O2 was sold out at £100 a ticket or more. Very nicely, the promoters SJM gave us a nice bonus at the end which wasn’t part of the contract, so they must have made an absolute killing! But in the mid-range, there’s not much killing going on and at the bottom, it’s almost like pay-to-play a lot of the time.

I don’t think fans really understand the economics and this is one thing that really p*sses me off about social media, we announce a big tour and put an effort into it and you just get a load of people going “why aren’t you coming to Stourbridge?” or “why aren’t you going to Skegness?”. We go where the promoters tell us to go, the tours are designed by them, not us! So the routines, the places available of a particular size that are hard to find now these days and the areas of the country that are covered are determined by the promoters, NOT by the band!

Of course, if you are a huge band, you can go “I don’t want to play in Tucson, I don’t want to play in Springfield”, you have more power to determine that but as a mid-range act, it’s difficult… it’s a point some people don’t get.

What do you hope the ‘Sound With Vision’ tour and documentary will achieve for you ultimately?

Firstly I think it’s an interesting idea and I can’t recollect anybody else doing it, the closest was probably the SPARKS one which was a little bit of an inspiration although that was still super focussed on the band. I really liked the KING CRIMSON one, that made me laugh a lot. The premise that the band is this all powerful entity that must be worshipped is the exact opposite of how we feel about the world. If people come to the gigs, there will be a good chance people will get filmed if they want to get filmed and there will be specific people that we talk to who we will visit in their world.

It will hopefully be a feature length documentary that will be shown on Sky Arts or Netflix or whatever, who knows? It’s really about fandom, that’s the larger issue. Boomers I suppose, are the fans of that kind of 80s music largely all over the world and a lot of people think it’s the happiest time they’ve ever had, not just because they were young but because it was an extraordinary decade in music. So that audience has grown older, a lot of them have got a bit more affluent and they want to relive their youth, which is perfectly reasonable and I suppose we are in a certain respect. But they don’t want it to be patronising and feel like a nostalgia trip, they want to feel like they are living in the present when they experience that stuff.

So this is a new phenomenon, it’s not just us. It’s all the 80s acts that we love who I’m sure have similar fanbases. The rise of this kind of VIP thing is important element to it as well because when I was growing up and seeing loads of gigs, I was an obsessive music fan and the thought back then that you could actually meet these demi-gods who were on stage would have been amazing!

Were there any artists you would have paid VIP for had it been available?

Oh yeah! Bowie and Roxy, but you were never going to get to people of that ilk! There are people who take that properly seriously, Thomas Dolby, Martin Fry and Howard Jones for example and it helps support the band, it’s money going into the general tour pot. The mid-range of tours are not making a lot of money but it does provide employment and gives enjoyment for a lot of people. It’s only when you get to the £100 ticket level and beyond that serious money is made.


ELECTRICITYCLUB.CO.UK gives its sincerest thanks to Martyn Ware

HEAVEN 17 ‘Sound With Vision’ tour includes: London O2 Shepherds Bush Empire (6th November), Bexhill De La Warr Pavilion (7th November), Norwich Waterfront (8th November), Oxford O2 Academy 1 (10th November), Leeds O2 Academy (12th November), Glasgow Barrowland (13th November), Sheffield Octagon (14th November), Liverpool O2 Academy 1 (15th November), Newcastle Boiler Shop (17th November), Birmingham O2 Institute 1 (19th November), Bristol O2 Academy 1 (20th November), Bournemouth O2 Academy (21st November), Manchester O2 Ritz (22nd November)

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Text and Interview by Chi Ming Lai
31st March 2025

25 FAVOURITE INTERVIEWS ON ELECTRICITYCLUB.CO.UK

Established on 15th March 2010, ELECTRICITYCLUB.CO.UK celebrates 15 years online.

Aiming to feature the best in new and classic electronic pop music, during that time it has conducted over 550 interviews from fledgling independent acts and veteran cult artists to established international stars.

ELECTRICITYCLUB.CO.UK prides itself in asking interesting questions that are a bit different and seeded by knowledge of the subject. As a result, these interviews have been appreciated by those music enthusiasts who know their tape recorders from their drum machines.

As for the interviewees, the vast majority have been a joy to work with and luckily, boring or difficult interviews have been rare. However, the most disappointing situations arise when someone agrees to an interview and continues communications for several weeks but doesn’t come clean to say they are not actually interested in participating… it is the interviewing equivalent of being ghosted 😆

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While sending questions via email for an artist to answer in their own time is the modern way of conducting an interview and is convenient with artists who have day jobs, don’t speak English as a first language or are in a different time zone, it is not particularly interactive and lacks a conversational flow. A true interview is a two way live conversation conducted face-to-face, by phone or a conferencing platform where opinions, thoughts and recollections can be obtained through reactive questioning.

ELECTRICITYCLUB.CO.UK lists its 25 favourite interviews from over the years. Reading like a ‘Who’s Who?’ of electronic pop, all the interviews were conducted in-person or via a live call, except those with Alan Wilder, Karl Bartos and Rob Dean which were done by email.


PAUL HUMPHREYS (2010)

This Paul Humphreys interview put ELECTRICITYCLUB.CO.UK on the map. At his studio complex in London, he chatted about the past, present and future of OMD, hinting at the contents of the upcoming album ‘History Of Modern’. The interview proved popular and was later quoted by The Guardian in a feature about OMD. This was the first of five interviews, the most recent of which was for OMD’s 40th Anniversary in 2019.

https://www.electricityclub.co.uk/interview-paul-humphreys/


SARAH BLACKWOOD (2010)

ELECTRICITYCLUB.CO.UK bumped into Sarah Blackwood after a HEAVEN 17 concert in Cologne and so began a long lasting friendship. Conducted at a café in St Pancras, this interview captured an interesting interregnum with our heroine between the end of CLIENT and the start of the DUBSTAR reunion. This was to be the first of two Sarah solo chats while she would be interviewed with Chris Wilkie twice as DUBSTAR.

https://www.electricityclub.co.uk/sarah-blackwood-interview/


CLAUDIA BRÜCKEN (2010)

Conducted in London to coincide with the reissue of her debut solo album ‘Love: And A Million Other Things’, Claudia Brücken talked about her time in PROPAGANDA, ACT and ONETWO while she also talked about plans for a compilation called ‘ComBined’ collecting highlights from throughout her career. Her most recent ELECTRICITYCLUB.CO.UK interview was together with Susanne Freytag as xPROPAGANDA.

https://www.electricityclub.co.uk/claudia-brucken-interview/


ANDY McCLUSKEY (2011)

The majority of interviews are cordial affairs but this one with Andy McCluskey following the release of OMD’s comeback album ‘History Of Modern’ was a bit ‘Frost/Nixon’. ELECTRICITYCLUB.CO.UK echoed some of the fan disappointments about the record and to his credit, he was unrepentant and batted away criticisms with aplomb. A less confrontational interview followed in 2013 for ‘English Electric’.

https://www.electricityclub.co.uk/andy-mccluskey-interview/


STEPHEN MORRIS (2011)

ELECTRICITYCLUB.CO.UK were surprised when a request to interview Stephen Morris was accepted, especially as NEW ORDER had seemingly disbanded. The conversion had The Human Drum Machine at his best with stories about JOY DIVISION as well. But why was this interview taking place, why was he doing a fashion shoot for ‘Arena Homme+’? It was all subtle profile rebuilding as NEW ORDER was relaunched months later!

https://www.electricityclub.co.uk/stephen-morris-interview/


BLANCMANGE (2011)

With many discussion points covered, a thoroughly entertaining hour was spent chatting to Neil Arthur in his studio during a break from rehearsals for the first BLANCMANGE live shows since 1986 in support of a new album ‘Blanc Burn’. The artist who has been interviewed the most times by ELECTRICITYCLUB.CO.UK, he has since been featured a further nine times including with his side projects FADER and NEAR FUTURE.

https://www.electricityclub.co.uk/blancmange-interview/


MIRRORS (2011)

The intelligent aesthetics of MIRRORS made them ideal for ELECTRICITYCLUB.CO.UK’s first interview using the Vintage Synth Trumps format. Conducted in the dressing room of Cologne’s Gebaude9 prior to the first show of their headlining German tour, James New and Ally Young chatted about the synths used on their ’Lights & Offerings’ album. But tension was evident between the pair and it ultimately led to the sad end of the band.

https://www.electricityclub.co.uk/vintage-synth-trumps-with-mirrors/


ALAN WILDER (2011)

While often reluctant to talk about DEPECHE MODE, when Alan Wilder auctioned off a large collection of his studio equipment, vinyl and memorabilia, he was ready to talk about the band he left in 1995 again as well his own musical venture RECOIL. For the 25th Anniversary of the release of the ‘101’ live album and documentary film in 2014 , ELECTRICITYCLUB.CO.UK was the only platform he granted an interview to.

https://www.electricityclub.co.uk/the-alan-wilder-interview/


HOWARD JONES (2011)

One of the nicest guys in the music business, ELECTRICITYCLUB.CO.UK had the pleasure of chatting to Howard Jones about his then-upcoming tour performing his first two albums ‘Human’s Lib’ and ‘Dream Into Action’. Focussing on the period between 1983 to 85 when he became a household name and was many people’s entry point into the world of synthpop, the interview included lots of analogue and digital synth talk.

https://www.electricityclub.co.uk/howard-jones/


KARL BARTOS (2013)

A short conversation conducted remotely, Karl Bartos talked about his new album ‘Off The Record’ and recalled his collaborations with Andy McCluskey, Bernard Sumner and Johnny Marr. When he performed at Cologne’s Live Music Hall on the same night that KRAFTWERK received a Lifetime Achievement Grammyin January 2014, ELECTRICITYCLUB.CO.UK were granted an audience with the man himself.

https://www.electricityclub.co.uk/a-short-conversation-with-karl-bartos/


ALISON MOYET (2013)

The album ‘the minutes’ saw the return of Alison Moyet to electronica and this inevitably led to reminiscences about YAZOO in this delightful and sweary interview conducted face-to-face in Islington. She was frank and open about all aspects of her career, the misconception of her being a “jazz singer” and which two songs from the YAZOO portfolio she particularly hated! Can you guess without look at the transcript which ones they are?

https://www.electricityclub.co.uk/alison-moyet-interview-2/


VILE ELECTRODES (2013)

VILE ELECTRODES remain the act that ELECTRICITYCLUB.CO.UK has been proudest of featuring. Invited to support OMD on the German leg of their ‘English Electric’ tour following Andy McCluskey spotting the band while perusing ELECTRICITYCLUB.CO.UK, this informative interview was conducted in Anais Neon and Martin Swan’s synth-filled apartment and completed online to update it after the news was announced.

https://www.electricityclub.co.uk/vile-electrodes-re-emerge/


GARY NUMAN (2013)

ELECTRICITYCLUB.CO.UK were literally given a few days notice that it was to interview Gary Numan at his home in Los Angeles by phone. Coinciding with the release of the ‘Splinter (Songs From A Broken Mind)’ album which had taken 7 years to complete, he was in buoyant mood after an artistic rejuvenation. Refreshingly honest, he admitted his original plan to make all the songs on ‘Splinter’ one-dimensional was “a sh*t idea”!

https://www.electricityclub.co.uk/gary-numan-discusses-splinter/


RODNEY CROMWELL (2016)

One of the fun things about the Vintage Synth Trumps series of interviews is that there is a degree of jeopardy for both interviewer and artist. Taking time to gain acclaim and recognition, the first Rodney Cromwell album ‘Age Of Anxiety’ was perfect for mainman Adam Cresswell to talk about his love of synths and DIY recording as well as the influence of NEW ORDER and SECTION 25 on his music over a fish supper in London’s Soho.

https://www.electricityclub.co.uk/vintage-synth-trumps-with-rodney-cromwell/


RICHARD BARBIERI (2017)

It was known that Richard Barbieri is often not that keen on talking about JAPAN and ELECTRICITYCLUB.CO.UK assumed all the chat over the phone would be about his new album ‘Planets + Persona’. But unprompted, he chatted about his MicroMoog which was used on a number of JAPAN albums. But the crowning glory of the interview was how he did the metallic intro of ‘Ghosts’ using his Roland System 700 Lab Series.

https://www.electricityclub.co.uk/richard-barbieri-interview/


ZEUS B HELD (2017)

While not as well-known as Giorgio Moroder or Conny Plank, producer Zeus B Held contacted ELECTRICITYCLUB.CO.UK after it did a Beginner’s Guide feature on his career portfolio. A coffee meeting was arranged at Foyles bookshop in London and morphed into a full interview which saw the talkative German reflect back on working with GINA X PERFORMANCE, FASHION and DEAD OR ALIVE as well as John Foxx and Gary Numan.

https://www.electricityclub.co.uk/zeus-b-held-interview/


ROBERT GÖRL (2017)

When in Düsseldorf… despite the confrontational aspects of DAF, their drummer and sequencer programmer Robert Görl is something of a thoughtful and spiritual soul. This face-to-face interview was conducted before a performance of his ‘Glücksritter’ live only project and took in DAF, his wonderful solo debut long player ‘Night Full Of Tension’, working with Annie Lennox and the great standalone single ‘Mit Dir’.

https://www.electricityclub.co.uk/robert-gorl-interview/


SOFT CELL (2018)

Marc Almond and Dave Ball surprised all with a reunion for ‘One Night Only’ at London’s O2 Arena that has since become an ongoing world tour. But with it came a lavish boxed set, various books and new albums. In a London pub,  ELECTRICITYCLUB.CO.UK had an in-depth chat with Dave Ball focussed on the ups and downs of SOFT CELL. This was followed up with an entertaining game of Vintage Synth Trumps in 2023.

https://www.electricityclub.co.uk/soft-cell-interview/


MARTYN WARE (2019)

ELECTRICITYCLUB.CO.UK has enjoyed seven interviews with Martyn Ware encompassing HEAVEN 17 and BEF, but this chat was about his time as a co-founder member of THE HUMAN LEAGUE to coincide with a live celebration of their first two albums ‘Reproduction’ and ‘Travelogue’. This was a fascinating insight into how THE HUMAN LEAGUE’s “vocals and synthesizers only” sound became the future of pop music.

https://www.electricityclub.co.uk/martyn-ware-the-reproduction-travelogue-interview/


ROB DEAN (2021)

Although he left JAPAN in 1980, guitarist Rob Dean gave an eye witness account to ELECTRICITYCLUB.CO.UK into the making of their third album ‘Quiet Life’ to coincide with a remastered boxset. JAPAN were in a state of transition from the growly glam funk of their first records to the mannered artful combo people remember them for today, so with him now residing in Costa Rica, this email Q&A provided some insightful commentary.

https://www.electricityclub.co.uk/rob-dean-the-quiet-life-interview/


MARK REEDER (2021)

While most of ELECTRICITYCLUB.CO.UK’s interviews with Our Man In Berlin have been conducted remotely at his convenience, apart from an onstage interview at a 2016 event in Düsseldorf, this Vintage Synth Trumps chat was a rare live outing on Skype. Among the topics were his remixes for NEW ORDER and YELLO while there was also mention of the Transcendent 2000 which Bernard Sumner had built from a kit and given to him.

https://www.electricityclub.co.uk/vintage-synth-trumps-with-mark-reeder/


BILLY CURRIE (2022)

With his noted dry humour, Billy Currie was on top form for probably the best interview in the Vintage Synth Trumps series so far. With insight into the workings of ULTRAVOX and VISAGE as well solo work and his brief time in the Gary Numan live band. Of the latter, Currie went into detail about the ARP Odyssey solo on ‘On Broadway’ while also shedding light on how ‘Touch & Go’ co-written with former band mate John Foxx became ‘Mr X’.

https://www.electricityclub.co.uk/vintage-synth-trumps-with-billy-currie/


TELEX (2023)

Some say that the Belgians don’t have a sense of humour, but that was proved wrong when surviving TELEX members Michel Moers and Dan Lacksman gave a laugh a minute interview to ELECTRICITYCLUB.CO.UK in support of their self-titled boxed set released by Mute Records. The most hilarious moment was when the pair recalled their dismay when Portugal awarded them 10 points at the Eurovision Song Contest in 1980.

https://www.electricityclub.co.uk/telex-interview/


MIDGE URE (2023)

ELECTRICITYCLUB.CO.UK has had the honour of interviewing Midge Ure on a number of occasions, the first time at the world famous Abbey Road Studios. But the most recent occasion was the best where he discussed a life in music ahead of his 70th birthday and a special show at the Royal Albert Hall. This was an extensive chat which included music technology such as the PPG Wave and the Roland GR700 guitar synthesizer.

https://www.electricityclub.co.uk/midge-ure-a-life-in-music/


JOHN FOXX (2024)

With ‘Metamatic’ about to celebrate its 45th Anniversary, it was a perfect time for ELECTRICITYCLUB.CO.UK to chat to John Foxx about his close encounters with synthesizers over a game of Vintage Synth Trumps in Düsseldorf, the spiritual home of modern electronic pop. As well as talking about his seminal debut solo album, he recalled how ULTRAVOX came to utilise synths and drum machines in their music.

https://www.electricityclub.co.uk/vintage-synth-trumps-with-john-foxx/


ELECTRICITYCLUB.CO.UK’s interviews can be viewed at https://www.electricityclub.co.uk/interviews/

Interviews from the Vintage Synth Trumps series are collected at https://www.electricityclub.co.uk/v-s-t/


Text by Chi Ming Lai
15th March 2025

2024 END OF YEAR REVIEW

Image by Simon Helm

Me? Definitely Won’t Be! Join the #SynthResistance

When ELECTRICITYCLUB.CO.UK came into being in March 2010, synth was still on a recovery path and it seemed PET SHOP BOYS were the only act continuing to fly the flag successfully having been awarded the BRIT Award for ‘Outstanding Contribution To Music’ the previous year.

While DEPECHE MODE and SIMPLE MINDS had released albums in 2009, their latest material showed few signs of their imperial phases. BLANCMANGE, NEW ORDER and SOFT CELL had not yet returned, ULTRAVOX were still to release ‘Brilliant’ despite a well-received live return and while THE HUMAN LEAGUE were regulars on the live circuit, they had not issued a new album for 9 years. Meanwhile OMD and DURAN DURAN were in a state of creative flux having released disappointing albums in ‘History Of Modern’ and ‘Red Carpet Massacre’ respectively.

However in 2024, most of these acts are performing to sizeable audiences and while ULTRAVOX may have called it a day in 2013, Midge Ure continues to tour with songs from ‘Vienna’, ‘Rage In Eden’, ‘Quartet’ and ‘Lament’. For these heritage acts, the concert circuit is now very lucrative and a testament to their music still standing up after several decades and most importantly for longevity, appealing to new and younger audiences.

Photo by Chi Ming Lai

But for new synth music generally, particularly in Britain, it appeared to be in decline although these signs had been very apparent over the past few years. One thing that has been significant about ELECTRICITYCLUB.CO.UK’s 30 SONGS OF 2024 was that on only 4 occasions was there full or part representation from the nation that seeded Synth Britannia… how the mighty have fallen! And when Taylor Swift is doing better electronic pop songs than most, then there’s a real problem!

First time around during 1994 to 1997, Britpop had as good as killed off the synth and with the news of the OASIS live reunion in 2025 grabbing all the headlines, it looks as though history is repeating itself. But everything is cyclical and there was a backlash against guitar bands after the new millennium began. There is hope yet but while a MIRRORS reunion is unlikely any time soon, it takes darkness to appreciate the light so anything is possible 😉

2024 was a year fraught with uncertainty and this was reflected musically. With ongoing political tensions in their homeland and having spoken out against the invasion of Ukraine by Russia, MOLCHAT DOMA relocated from Belarus to Los Angeles. Their excellent fourth album ‘Belaya Polosa’ channelled the anxiety and fear of that journey into exile and literally saw the trio change from sounding like JOY DIVISION to sounding like NEW ORDER. But have they walked from the frying pan into the fryer?

Released back in March before the US Elections, one of the best albums of 2024, ‘Masochist’ by NIGHT CLUB became a dystopian prophecy come true. Emotions were summed up by the inclusion of ‘The Lunatics (Have Taken Over the Asylum)’, a cover of the song by FUN BOY THREE. Written as a metaphor to the dangerous posturing games played by “The Cowboy” Ronald Reagan in 1981 during The Cold War, today the even crazier orange face is back followed by his flock of mindless MAGA sheep…

‘If You Tolerate This, Then Your Children Will Be Next’ sang MANIC STREET PREACHERS and more than ever in the UK, it is important to stand against the retarded racist scum getting behind the neo-fascist posturings of that pompous grifter Nigel Farage to cover up for their own life failings. Add in a crackpot billionaire who inherited blood money made during the vile South African Apartheid regime, playing a real life Dr Evil by throwing his cash into the far right and supporting the new Nazis in Germany of the AfD, and the world is in a very precarious position right now. Quoting Midge Ure who recently gave new live renditions of the ironically monikered RICH KIDS’ sadly relevant 1978 anti-Nazi anthem: “NEVER AGAIN DO I WANT TO HEAR THE SOUND OF MARCHING MEN!”

Anglo-German duo KALEIDA experienced an existential crisis due to the pressures of parenting and the shifting patterns of life. But Christina Wood and Cicely Goulder managed to make their long distance creative partnership work again and their reward was their third album ‘In Arms’. As the title suggested, it has been an impassioned battle capturing 3 years of artistic perseverance and reinforced their sense of purpose.

On a more personal level, Anglo-French artist Julia-Sophie delved deeper into the complexities of relationships by exploring themes of self-destruction, tenderness, love and emotional struggles. This is what happens when people ‘forgive too slow’ but swathed in an intriguing electronic sound, her understated fulfilment combined emotional unease with an airy beauty for some satisfying thoughtful listening for another of the best albums of 2024.

Photo by Chi Ming Lai

With the onset of climate change but still those in denial despite the scientific proof, Patricia Wolf conceived ‘The Secret Lives of Birds’. Having recorded various bird songs and calls, curiosity led her to become a conservationist and while her music was very beautiful at times, there were darker moments of angst and sadness driven by concern. Birds and their behaviour have been a creative haven for artists of a more ambient persuasion and Masayoshi Fujita continued his avian fascination on his new work ‘Migratory’.

Loula Yorke presented her new ‘Volta’ and the wonderful opener ‘It’s been decided that if you lay down no-one will die’ acted as a bittersweet meditation on overwhelm, an emotion many were feeling. For Finlay Shakespeare, his creative journey appeared to have taken its emotional toll and ‘Directions Out Of Town’ reflected turbulent times and was touted as possibly his last album. Meanwhile Polish producer ZAMILSKA summed feelings up with the impassioned ‘United Kingdom Of Anxiety’ as another exile from Belarus CHIKISS captured this moment ‘Between Time & Laziness’.

Photo by Thomas Stelzmann

While a new PET SHOP BOYS album was always on the cards and they duly delivered with their fifteenth ‘Nonetheless’, Michael Mertens and Ralf Dörper starting a new chapter of PROPAGANDA was perhaps on not on anyone’s bingo card at the start of 2024. Featuring the sultry vocals of Thunder Bae, PROPAGANDA presented an eponymous long player to signify a fresh start with the closing cover ‘Wenn Ich Mir Was Wünschen Dürfte’ being a key highlight.

There were several key esoteric releases in 2024; Gareth Jones and Daniel Miller released their third volume of ‘Electronic Music Improvisations’ as SUNROOF while Heiko Maile and Julian DeMarre offered ‘Neostalgia’, leaving Jori Hulkkonen with some ‘Hurt Humour’. And like a greeting from wherever he is now in the universe, Klaus Schulze had ‘101, Milky Way’ posthumously released in a continuation of his vast electronic legacy.

In 2024, there were albums released where 90 to 100% of the content comprised of previously released singles; one of those was the debut album by LEATHERS, the side-project of ACTORS keyboardist Shannon Hemmett which explored her love of dark electronic pop. Another was the appropriately titled ‘VII’ by Swedish duo KITE which was their seventh body of work containing music from their seven most recent singles released over the past seven years, gathering the power and the glory of their ambition.

Using a similar strategy,  R. MISSING finally released an album ‘Knife Shook Your Hand’ after years of embracing a scattergun standalone song approach which at times was frustrating to follow, especially with today’s now widely embraced Netflix-led home and mobile entertainment methodology of “binge watching” TV series.

Photo by Volker Maass

CAMOUFLAGE finally took their ‘Rewind To The Future & Goodbye’ tour on the German road with a show look backing on four decades. Meanwhile celebrating 45 years of BLANCMANGE, ‘Everything Is Connected’ was a new career-spanning collection supported by a tour where Neil Arthur supported himself with his collaborative side project THE REMAINDER. Celebrating 25 years of the multi-million selling ‘Play’, Moby delivered a mighty greatest hits set in front of a packed house at London’s O2 Arena as well as highlights from that album.

Midge Ure aired his catalogue of his greatest hits and with so many ULTRAVOX songs part of the set, it was difficult not to think of his departed bandmate Chris Cross who passed away this year. Another sad loss in 2024 who had connections to ULTRAVOX and their former leader John Foxx was the iconic photographer Brian Griffin; his other subjects included DEPECHE MODE, OMD, SPANDAU BALLET and TALK TALK.

With 16 tracks speeding through its restless 40 minutes, ‘Powder Dry’ saw Tim Bowness revisiting his passion for the post-punk and electronic pop acts of his teens, having opened for the solo Billy Currie version of ULTRAVOX and worked with members of JAPAN while in his first band NO-MAN with Steven Wilson; of course the latter has been behind the spate of new remixes of ULTRAVOX for their series of lavish boxed sets.

A number of veterans returned after long new release absences. Michel Moers, best known as the front man of Belgian electronic trailblazers TELEX released what was only his second solo studio album ‘As Is’ and had Claudia Brücken guest on its lead single ‘Microwaves. Meanwhile after several years in the making, Harald Grosskopf presented ‘Strom’, translated from German as “electricity”.

Across the Atlantic, Los Angeles-based multimedia artist Geneva Jacuzzi gave a detached Eurocentric poise reminiscent of Gina X and her third album ‘Triple Fire’ was an enjoyably delightful mix of accessible electronic pop and energetic art chaos. Comprising of North America’s alternative music power couple Tom Shear and Mari Kattman, HELIX took their fans to an ‘Unimaginable Place’ as another US based couple XENO & OAKLANDER further refined their precise yet spirited productions for their eight album ‘Via Negativa (in the doorway light)’.

Newer North American acts making a splash were IMMORTAL GIRLFRIEND and Canada’s MINDREADER while Los Angeles-based duo DIE SEXUAL finally brought their erotic charge to the stage opening for the likes of IAMX and LEÆTHER STRIP. But the most promising act emerging stateside were Haute & Freddy.

Photo by Tim Darin

For the past few years, Alison Lewis has focussed on her ZANIAS solo venture but she was back playing live with Ryan Ambridge as LINEA ASPERA in the summer with the pair having been quietly writing and recording new material together. Having found TikTok fame performing synthwave styled covers, DREAMKID released his second album ‘Daggers’ to capitalise on his social media traction while both exploring much darker climes, CURSES and CZARINA released their third full length albums.

In Europe, Belgian duo METROLAND released their sixth album ‘Forum’ as well as simultaneously maintaining their solo projects 808 DOT POP and LECTREAU. In Sweden, Johan Agebjörn was a very busy man releasing EPs with Yota and Mikael Ögren while also announcing he has a work-in-progress with NINA; the Queen of Synthwave’s own musical partnership with RADIO WOLF was developing nicely, with a European tour opening for CANNONS giving the couple a chance to showcase their darker sound.

As the summer ended, IONNALEE ambitiously issued her new album simultaneously in English and Swedish while Norwegian neighbours PISTON DAMP declared there were “No Points For Trying” as they launched the more pessimistic instalment of their twin volume ‘Mastermind’ album venture.

Photo by Joanna Wzorek

Presenting the second volume of their ‘Midnight Confessions’ series, ITALOCONNECTION were back with their vintage but modern style of Italo disco while Greco-German trio DINA SUMMER showed that good electronic dance music with a grittier impassioned outlook was alive and well in Berlin. Also based in the former divided city, Polish DJ and producer CHARLIE emerged as one of the promising new stars on the Italo-Proto scene.

Retrospective sets can often compile another time, another place as exemplified by releases this year from Bryan Ferry, Peter Baumann and NO-MAN proved. But the best one came from FRANK CHICKENS whose ‘Ninja Legends 1983-1989’ captured them in their quirky prime, especially on the collection of BBC radio  sessions which made it an essential purchase. On the book front, ‘1984: The Year Pop Went Queer’ was among the best.

The desire to revisit the past became a major thing in 2024, as exemplified by the frenzy surrounding the sale of tickets for the OASIS reunion shows which were among the first in the UK to employ the dreaded but perfectly legal scam of dynamic pricing. But the need to see any band years past their commercial peak with the likelihood of a less accomplished performance than before, be it vocally, musically or energetically, was a head scratching prospect. The music world has been trying to make up for lost time and money since 2021 but the post-covid gig bubble may have now burst.

With ELECTRICITYCLUB.CO.UK having seen many bands back in the day at their best, the shows now available with a hint of nostalgia may not have been universally appealing as they were to those who were too young or not even born to have attended first time around. But paradoxically thanks to the dearth of new quality music, ELECTRICITYCLUB.CO.UK found itself listening to podcasts of old people talking about old music! So it was an honour to be invited by host Iain McDermott to chat about our favourite year in music 1981 for his wonderful ‘Back To NOW’ podcast centred around the noted compilation album series.

‘The Album Years’ hosted by Steven Wilson and Tim Bowness remarked that “talking about music IS the new music” and on the most knowledgeable, passionate and humorous podcasts, hosts were able to express their opinion and say a record or an artist was “sh*t” without immediate fear of social media retorts while also praising where praise was deserved!

But during a recent edition of ‘The Small Town Boys’, Clark Datchler of JOHNNY HATES JAZZ remarked that while music critics back in the day could be “cynical” and “nasty”, today they are at the other extreme and “sycophants now” with “hardly any criticism of records released” – this everything is brilliant mentality has undoubtedly led to an acceptance of mediocrity and a lack of perspective in a monoculture of medium pleasure.

With those forthright and articulate expressions key to their success, live presentations of these podcasts in theatres and arenas are becoming increasingly popular and profitable thanks to lower overheads, especially when compared to concerts.

Among ELECTRICITYCLUB.CO.UK’s favourite music podcasts in 2024 were ‘Word In Your Ear’ presented by former Smash Hits and Q editors David Hepworth and Mark Ellen, ‘Electronically Yours With Martyn Ware’ and ‘The Giddy Carousel of Pop’ discussing the history of Smash Hits. But best of all was the more general podcast ‘The Rest Is Entertainment’ hosted by Richard Osman and Marina Hyde which is part of Gary Lineker’s Goalhanger Podcast empire also behind ‘The Rest Is Politics’, ‘The Rest Is History’, ‘The Rest Is Money’, ‘The Rest Is Classified’ and ‘The Rest Is Football’; one suspects the popular socially conscious former footballer will not miss the BBC the way it will miss him 😉

If 2023 was something of a strange year, 2024 might have actually been stranger. There is a glimmer of hope for the future, but the signs are already there that things may get worse, be it socially, politically, environmentally or culturally… sometimes, people really do deserve what they get!


ELECTRICITYCLUB.CO.UK’s 2024 playlist ‘The Great Bleep Forward’ containing over 235 tracks from the year can be listened to on Spotify at https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4xMrAkCbeWvUmTfrN6i6Gu


Text by Chi Ming Lai
27th December 2024

FERAL FIVE Interview

Photo by Keira Anee Photography

FERAL FIVE released their debut album ‘Truth Is The New Gold’ at the start of 2023 and ahead of the game, the duo employed various AI-enhancements on a number of tracks with technology created by the German based company Birds on Mars.

Described by its members Kat and Drew Five as “A 360 degree music and art album project”, FERAL FIVE utilised electronic components with traditional guitars and live percussive elements to create their own “Feraltropolis” for a long playing commentary on AI, social media and today’s strangely dystopian post-truth world.

As the year concludes, the ‘Truth Is The New Gold’ titles song has been given a funky new remix by Martyn Ware; FERAL FIVE had performed at his ‘Picasso Portraits’ night in 2016 hosted by the National Portrait Gallery.

FERAL FIVE chatted to ELECTRICITYCLUB.CO.UK about how ‘Truth Is The New Gold’, the title song’s Martyn Ware remix, the various AI developments which have been in the news recently and much more…

This first full length album ‘Truth Is The New Gold’ has been a long time coming as FERAL FIVE first released music in 2013? Why has it taken this amount of time?

We love making music and exploring ideas. Every track is a statement, and every statement we made we opted to push out as a single fairly quickly. We believe in all killer no filler, so it took us a while to stand still for long enough to craft an album that thematically and sonically we were proud of.

Also we’re producers as well as writers and musicians, so arranging, mixing and production is an in-house job where we put our own musicianship under the microscope. The pandemic meant we weren’t in the same room for some considerable time, so while we file swapped, that definitely slowed things down a bit too. Later when we finally got to be in the same room, we decided to shelve a number of songs originally slated for the album in favour of some new ideas and these really helped to crystallize the theme of the album. So the short answer is ‘Truth Is The New Gold’ didn’t have an overly long gestation, we were just a singles band before that we guess.

With your down-to-earth approach to electronically-assisted pop, do you feel any kinship with acts such as DUBSTAR or INTERNATIONAL TEACHERS OF POP?

Yes, we love what they do and feel a real kinship. We saw an amazing INTERNATIONAL TEACHERS OF POP set supporting Róisín Murphy, but we haven’t actually met in person. Maybe we should see your description as a genre that deserves its own festival! Although, we have to say that while electronics are pretty fundamental to our sound, anything that makes a positive contribution to our sonic palette is used. So on the new album, as well as electronic and beats, we use a range of live percussion, including some very delicate crystals. We’re also both very crafty guitarists and love the raw energy that brings. I guess you could say that we are looking for the human trait in everything we do even where we use electronics and other components, we are looking to bring out an organic feel that you can still groove to.

So what makes up the “Feraltropolis”?

It’s in two places really. It’s our own personal lives that we live outside of FERAL FIVE, our hopes, fears and beliefs, which for us as a team has a lot of conjunction on the Venn diagram, as you might say. Our data sets and values are the same. Then this becomes manifest and “real” within the landscape of FERAL FIVE’s art. If you wanted us to describe it, we’d say it’s a city in the not too distant future and the surrounding landscape. This was also the location for our album journey, exploring truth and trust. It can be bleak, it can be exciting, there’s always a lot going on. There’s always hope amid the dystopia.

Before all the recent debates, FERAL FIVE utilised AI on the album, how did the idea come about?

FERAL FIVE has always been at the bleeding edge of tech, unafraid to experiment and open to new ideas, and our first vinyl release was an EP with 3D printed art that we printed ourselves. On a later track, we worked with sonified algorithms, and visual ones for the video, courtesy of new materials designer Francis Bitonti.

We’d been thinking about AI for some time and wrote a song a while back about where it was heading – ‘Pet Show’ – about AI robo-companions, set in a bar with freaky creatures that can fulfill your wildest dreams.

With our album exploring truth and trust, AI was a natural part of exploring new realities, and using the technology in the form of an AI Kat Five opened up new sonic and thematic possibilities. We hear this voice – a character – uplifting us right from the beginning of the album, despite the dark undertones, reminding us “it’s not the end”.

The AI is not composing for us, that is very much us humans, but it’s playing a role, as a kind of narrator on the journey. It reminded us of first-person narrations you get in film-noir detective movies.

Tell us about the AI created by Birds on Mars? 

Birds on Mars are based in Berlin and are doing great work in AI so it was amazing to collaborate with them. They wanted to train their AI on Kat’s spoken voice, so she decided to read some of the album lyrics out. They sounded SO different when they weren’t being sung, it was a very disconcerting experience making that recording. BOM then gave us a selection of AI models and an interface, and then we had AI Kat Five to play with to sing, speak or make non-human sounds. We could make her say things we never said which was mind-blowing.

‘Golden Rule’ was described by yourselves as an ”AI-enhanced shimmering anthem of renewal and people coming together”, please discuss?

Our album explores darkness but is ultimately about light and hope. This final track was our overarching statement, that we must work together to build change. Though not forgetting that important statements are allowed to have a groove, so this track does have a strong dance vibe. Here we used the AI Kat, particularly in the opening and the end, as both an oracle, prescient of the dangers and wonders ahead, and also as a speaker of truth.

AI can help realise an imagined world or provide speedier assistance such as isolating John Lennon’s vocal for THE BEATLES ‘Now & Then’, how do you see its useful applications in music?

It can be a great creative tool, and we love the work of pioneering artists Holly Herndon, and Portrait XO. There are AIs to get your lyrical process going – not that we ever need that kind of help, and even AI mastering, though we’ve a favourite human in the form of our go-to sonic partner Katie Tavini for that.

The use to which Peter Jackson put AI in ‘Now & Then’ was a very interesting example of using AI not in a generative compositional sense, but to clean up the audio in ways that prior to that would, as you indicated, have taken way longer, and may not have had such amazing results. In the end it’s all about the choices, as McCartney once said: “the love you take is equal to the love you make”. Some artists may use AI to speed up the process in some technical areas, but when you use generative tools that go beyond their original parameters, the question of ownership and authenticity become important. There is an interesting point along that line where someone will ask, where is the artist? Who plucked the string? Did the string pluck itself? Or do we now owe all our royalties to an app developer?

But as the ‘Joan Is Awful’ episode of ‘Black Mirror’ showed, there are potentially more sinister implications with AI… your thoughts please?

For sure. AI serfdom, stripping musicians of their value, are all possibilities and more besides. It’s why we need ethical tech, and collaborative AI. Even tech giants are calling for regulation. The thing is, any tool, no matter how sharp or blunt, can be used for good or ill. There are endless positive ways it is being and will be used to solve some of humanity’s pressing issues. One of the key considerations is who makes the decisions about the use and deployment of AI. We risk talking about AI like it’s one thing. It’s a concept and whilst it has huge medical applications for good, it definitely has its darker side, from human profiling to smart weapons. To quote POP WILL EAT ITSELF, there are at least “16 different flavours of hell”.

Social media was the theme on the songs ‘Roll It With Me’ and ‘Camouflage’, are “doom scrolling” and attention seeking taking their toll?

We love a good doomscroll at times, but there’s so much digital anxiety around caused by the incessant demands of social media, and the increasingly tense and vicious behaviour online. People have to sell themselves and their lives to please algorithms, and you often see artists announcing they have to take a break.

‘Roll It With Me’ was heavily influenced by the pandemic and having to connect with people at a distance, often on screen. It’s about valuing the human everyday moments even if they’re fleeting and bittersweet.

‘Camouflage’ is about the tension between being on display everywhere, whether by choice, or on CCTV or other public cameras, and being anonymous. It’s a longing for a simple on off switch to camouflage yourself when you’re feeling overexposed, watched, socially anxious or simply shy. It could also be a spy thriller theme though.

How has it been having to use such social media platforms to get FERAL FIVE noticed in what has become a saturated music marketplace?

In person connections are always the best! We like to see social media as an extension of our art, whether that’s asking people to share their truths with us to be part of our new live audiovisual show, or exploring visual effects. So our work there is genuine and not a deliberate attempt to go viral. We guess that makes us hardcore.

It’s getting much harder to reach people though as tech giants squeeze creators, and change their functionality all the time, so it’s good to have our own website too. Maybe we should post more photos of us with our cats!

‘Silver Sky’ has a real good ol’ groove, how was it inspired musically and lyrically?

It was inspired by the changing night sky and some confused London birds. We wanted to explore light pollution in a city that never gets dark, and think about future mitigations people might use. It was also partly inspired by having our songs played to the trees at ‘The Dark Outside’ events in Galloway Forest dark sky park, and the need for protected areas.

We set out to conjure up a sparkling groove with bubbling synths, and also played long quartz crystals as an instrument (you can see them in the video). We had many conversations when we were producing it, about how to make things sound more silver.

‘The ‘Truth Is The New Gold’ title track acted as the trailer for the album at the start of the year and has now been remixed by Martyn Ware, how was the connection made and why was that particular one chosen?

We are so excited by his brilliant uptown remix, what a groove!

Martyn Ware is an all-time inspiration, and it was great to connect with him at Music Tech Fest a few years back, and get to share creative ideas. Kat has done some visuals for him including for his mighty Power Project exhibition launch. He also invited us to perform at his ‘Picasso Portraits’ night at the National Portrait Gallery along with legends like RADIOPHONIC WORKSHOP, WHITE NOISE and SCANNER.

We were thrilled when he offered to remix a song for us, and he asked to hear the whole album ahead of release so he could decide on which track. We were curious to see what he’d pick, and were stoked that it was Truth Is The New Gold which is the statement song, and he brought in Charles Stooke as well. We’ve a glittering video for the remix on its way.

Which have been your favourite tracks on this album?

It’s hard to choose. The driving force conceptually and musically and our absolute favourite is ‘Truth Is The New Gold’.

‘Gravity’ is another favourite, the newest song we wrote. It’s about space and desire, and we love playing it live.

‘Golden Rule’ is also up there. Why, because love is that golden rule and this is an album of dystopian themes but it’s also a love letter to humanity: don’t give up. It’s a sentiment.

Photo by Keira Anee Photography

How do you intend to release music in the future, are disparate tracks released ad hoc to streaming services really the way to go or can the long playing format survive?

Both. Long formats give you more of a chance to express your vision and create exciting merch, performances, and collaborations. We worked with design legend Malcolm Garrett on the album, and it’s been amazing. He’s created the artwork, T-shirts, and a collaboration with jewellery designers Tatty Devine. Copies of everything are going into his collection at the Special Collections Museum at Manchester Metropolitan University.

What is next for FERAL FIVE?

We’re very much focusing on live and our interactive audiovisual shows, as we want to share the album in this multi-sensory way.

We’ve been working with artist / technologist Jonathan Hogg who has created algorithmic visuals that he plays live, and the first performance we did with him was incredible. Each show is unique, with the audience able to contribute to what’s on screen, and Kat singing their thoughts, as well as the album songs. Truth IS The New Gold.


ELECTRICITYCLUB.CO.UK gives its sincerest thanks to FERAL FIVE

The album ‘Truth Is The New Gold’ is released by Reckless Yes in vinyl LP, CD and digital formats, available from https://feralfive.bandcamp.com/

The Martyn Ware remix of the title song is on the usual online platforms including at https://feralfive.bandcamp.com/album/truth-is-the-new-gold

https://www.feralfive.com/

http://www.facebook.com/FeralFive

https://twitter.com/feralfive

http://www.instagram.com/FeralFive

https://open.spotify.com/artist/6lFO7Wz038KeAcIodpRHcU


Text and Interview by Chi Ming Lai
25th November 2023

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